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On 09/10/2018 at 10:43, barkblue said:

You and me alike mate.

Maybe we didn't allow them to go on loan to teams round about us? Could you imagine if El Bak popped in a 30 harder against us for Hamilton?? (not saying he would like! ūüėȬ†)

I'm not disagreeing with you. However, the question I'd ask is, did we replace them with better players? For me, no we didn't.

Haber at least had a track record at this level. Kallmann doesn't, Moussa hasn't been an upgrade. The point I was making was that the current manager hasn't changed anything from Hartley's reign. Too many players signed and too many of them not up to the required standard. If the board watch successive managers do the same thing, then surely some of the blame lies at their door?

Yes agree, but Nelms has proved he is miles out his depth, a new manager comes in tomorrow he would want to clear the decks again...vicious circle with poor managers overseen by a hopeless chief executive drawing a huge salary. 

Sorry Mr S, it just so happens that it was your post which needed to be split from. Nothing personal, but seems adapt lol

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46 minutes ago, Mr Sensible said:

Yes agree, but Nelms has proved he is miles out his depth, a new manager comes in tomorrow he would want to clear the decks again...vicious circle with poor managers overseen by a hopeless chief executive drawing a huge salary. 

What is his salary just out of interest?

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6 minutes ago, Mr Sensible said:

125,000

What a waste of money. 

It it would be interesting to know how much time Nelms spends on his precious new stadium development compared to his role as Chief Executive of Dundee Football Club.

 

 

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Just now, islaydarkblue said:

What a waste of money. 

It it would be interesting to know how much time Nelms spends on his precious new stadium development compared to his role as Chief Executive of Dundee Football Club.

 

 

Agree

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25 minutes ago, Mr Sensible said:

125,000

I don't see that as a particularly huge salary for the CEO / MD of a football club.

How does this compare with the salaries of CEOs / MDs of similar sized clubs in Scotland?

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39 minutes ago, islaydarkblue said:

What a waste of money. 

It it would be interesting to know how much time Nelms spends on his precious new stadium development compared to his role as Chief Executive of Dundee Football Club.

 

 

Most time and effort at the former. That's why he is here.

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4 minutes ago, cookie said:

Most time and effort at the former. That's why he is here.

So the football side's sinking whilst he works on a pipe dream?

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1 minute ago, Prince Buster said:

That's some turnover of staff. As you say in any other business.......

but football isn't just another business IMO. They need business like skills in marketing and running a stadium but the actual playing side just does not respond to hire the players and win the games because there is such an imbalance in the resources. You can criticise the club for poor commercial decisions but remember they did put out a £44 deal for both the Hearts and Celtic games. They are hoping that both teams will bring a big support, there are possibly more Celtic supporters in Dundee and the surrounding area  than support either us or our neighbours, so they may well have taken a commercial decision that will benefit our club. 

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1 minute ago, Stand In said:

How do you know that? 

Was told it.

No reason to disbelieve the guy.

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4 minutes ago, Prince Buster said:

So the football side's sinking whilst he works on a pipe dream?

IMO the football side is sinking because NM hasn't got his team playing effectively.

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1 minute ago, BCram said:

IMO the football side is sinking because NM hasn't got his team playing effectively.

Kind of proves the point I'm making B.

Maybe Nelms has abdicated all football authority to McCann and has taken his eye off the ball whilst a clearly lost manager runs the club down?

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Just now, Prince Buster said:

Kind of proves the point I'm making B.

Maybe Nelms has abdicated all football authority to McCann and has taken his eye off the ball whilst a clearly lost manager runs the club down?

Sorry,I  didn't think that JN should have a big input into the football side of the club. I didn't think JN would really want to interfere with the playing side and so he has left the football authority to NM. We are still in close contact with the other teams at the bottom of the league, still have a big injury list which is expected to improve and should be able to pick up points against those whom we must beat if we are to stay in the SPFL. 

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10 minutes ago, BCram said:

but football isn't just another business IMO. They need business like skills in marketing and running a stadium but the actual playing side just does not respond to hire the players and win the games because there is such an imbalance in the resources. You can criticise the club for poor commercial decisions but remember they did put out a £44 deal for both the Hearts and Celtic games. They are hoping that both teams will bring a big support, there are possibly more Celtic supporters in Dundee and the surrounding area  than support either us or our neighbours, so they may well have taken a commercial decision that will benefit our club. 

Hi BCram,

In my opionion FPS are trying to fleece the Celtic and Rangers supporters for an extra £4 per Head because to date they know that the Away End at Old Firm games at Dens has always been sold out. 

Unfortunately the PATG Dundee supporters also have to pay the same £30 admission price hence the special ticket price deal for the Hearts and Celtic games. No doubt a similar deal will be offered when we play Rangers in December. 

 

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1 minute ago, BCram said:

Sorry,I  didn't think that JN should have a big input into the football side of the club. I didn't think JN would really want to interfere with the playing side and so he has left the football authority to NM. We are still in close contact with the other teams at the bottom of the league, still have a big injury list which is expected to improve and should be able to pick up points against those whom we must beat if we are to stay in the SPFL. 

Of course McCann has to have free reign to run the football playing side as JN isn't a football person at the level we are at. What I'm talking about is the day to day management of the club - marketing, commercial, PR all have effects on the football club as a whole and ultimately feed into the overall business of the football club. Has Nelms been sidetracked by the pipe dream stadium and let the overall football side collapse around McCann?

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3 minutes ago, islaydarkblue said:

Hi BCram,

In my opionion FPS are trying to fleece the Celtic and Rangers supporters for an extra £4 per Head because to date they know that the Away End at Old Firm games at Dens has always been sold out. 

Unfortunately the PATG Dundee supporters also have to pay the same £30 admission price hence the special ticket price deal for the Hearts and Celtic games. No doubt a similar deal will be offered when we play Rangers in December. 

 

So we should take more money off celtic and rangers . they are all glory hunters ?

and there clubs get more off the tv deals than any other club so f**k they west coast minks bunch bigots thats all they are

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11 minutes ago, Prince Buster said:

Of course McCann has to have free reign to run the football playing side as JN isn't a football person at the level we are at. What I'm talking about is the day to day management of the club - marketing, commercial, PR all have effects on the football club as a whole and ultimately feed into the overall business of the football club. Has Nelms been sidetracked by the pipe dream stadium and let the overall football side collapse around McCann?

No I don't think he has been sidetracked. When teams are struggling the support drops and all sorts of other pressures develop. By letting NM get on with things I would think that JN is doing the right thing and I hope that he will be proved right. There are those who clearly think that this is the wrong thing to do and NM is the cause of the decline in the football side and action should be taken to remove him as manager.

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9 minutes ago, Dundeefc93 said:

So we should take more money off celtic and rangers . they are all glory hunters ?

and there clubs get more off the tv deals than any other club so f**k they west coast minks bunch bigots thats all they are

My understanding is that the money from TV (SKY and BT) is handed out based on a club’s league position at the end of each season not on the number of games that they are involved in televised live on these channels. 

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2 minutes ago, islaydarkblue said:

My understanding is that the money from TV (SKY and BT) is handed out based on a club’s league position at the end of each season not on the number of games that they are involved in televised live on these channels. 

which is either celtic or rangers every other week 1 of them are on against someone.  i would charge them £10  most of them probably from dundee? 

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59 minutes ago, BCram said:

 I'd be more worried if we appoint a new manager now and unsettle the team that has only recently been assembled by NM. 

BCram - McCann has made more changes than any other manager in the league this season in the 8 games played so far. Only one player (Madianga according to a table Cobra posted the other day has played in every game. It might actually have been 7 out the 8 )

They've lost 7 of the 8 games and also been hammered in the cup from Ayr and beat from Dunfermline.

9 defeats out of 10 and rising against non mickey mouse teams so far.

How could any potential new manager possibly unsettle the team more than McCann has?

The only reason we aren't adrift (yet) is that Hamilton & St Mirren have been almost as bad.

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2 minutes ago, Dundeefc93 said:

which

which is either celtic or rangers every other week 1 of them are on against someone.  i would charge them £10  most of them probably from dundee? 

your club get 50 -70 k for tv game

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1 hour ago, Prince Buster said:

I don't see that as a particularly huge salary for the CEO / MD of a football club.

How does this compare with the salaries of CEOs / MDs of similar sized clubs in Scotland?

Reasonable question but swimming against the tide there pb

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14 minutes ago, islaydarkblue said:

My understanding is that the money from TV (SKY and BT) is handed out based on a club’s league position at the end of each season not on the number of games that they are involved in televised live on these channels. 

you get 50 -70 k every time your on tv

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