Reverend Lovejoy Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 5 minutes ago, Spiritof62 said: The UK has as many devious employers as the US does. The people that have set us back as a club are Messrs Hartley and McCann, both squandered massive opportunities to establish our club in the top flight. Its not difficult to look at the state of our cities pro clubs without coming to the conclusion that something drastic will have to be done to secure their long term future. As much as I dislike the thought of amalgamation, their is sense In having one city team playing in a new stadium. Amalgamation kills top flight football in this city stone dead imo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkBlues Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 So much speculation and conjecture going on in this topic it's unreal. I think too many are reading into something which isn't there and believing internet rumours. Quite simply, it wouldn't be in their best interest to merge both clubs, as they would lose a mass majority of support from both clubs and start of with a pub team level of support which would harm their future plans. I think the only thing which might happen is a groundshare and that will be about as far as it goes. Regarding DFCSS, when was the last time that they used their own money to help pay the ground rent, players wages or fees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegen65 Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 2 hours ago, Reverend Lovejoy said: When FPS bought into DFC I'm pretty certain that they had a long term plan in mind. The stadium development announcement was a path to not only resurrecting the fortunes of an ailing business but also to financial reward for their hard work and endeavour. Deadlines and projected timescales have passed however and we're arguably as far away from seeing spade's in the ground as we were at the announcement. Lack of interest in financing the venture has been rumoured for months and with little or no attempts being made to quash these rumours the fans are pessimistic on the chances of it actually happening. Meanwhile FPS are spending more of their own cash on plugging holes in our budget and setting in motion plans to recruit a host of new players on the park whilst financially compensating those already deemed surplus to requirements by our new manager. Whilst FPS have been relatively good with their promises so far that can't go on forever without a financially beneficial exit plan somewhere down the line. The one they have in mind just doesn't, realistically, appear to be happening. Plan B, for me, has got to involve keeping us in the top league and dressing things up to make us as attractive a proposition as possible for potential buyers. Converting debt to shares and buying vetoes, whilst remaining in the big league is probably as attractive as it's gonna get to buyers if the stadium doesn't go ahead. FPS just won't hang around forever, especially if they're losing cash hand over fist. Excellent post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkBlues Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 2 hours ago, Reverend Lovejoy said: FPS just won't hang around forever, especially if they're losing cash hand over fist. Then we are no different than any other club in Scotland then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Fett Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 18 minutes ago, TheDarkBlues said: So much speculation and conjecture going on in this topic it's unreal. I think too many are reading into something which isn't there and believing internet rumours. Quite simply, it wouldn't be in their best interest to merge both clubs, as they would lose a mass majority of support from both clubs and start of with a pub team level of support which would harm their future plans. I think the only thing which might happen is a groundshare and that will be about as far as it goes. Regarding DFCSS, when was the last time that they used their own money to help pay the ground rent, players wages or fees? Speculation will be rife until Keyes & Nelms get a grip of this, come out and explain what’s going on. They desperately need to start communicating with the supporters. Whats going on with the stadium? Why do you want these shares? Can you categorically rule out any type of amalgamation attempts and playing at the Sticklebrick? What’s the mid / long term plan to get this club back in the black? Just a few of the dozens of questions that need answered. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundeefc93 Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 Dry your eyes people it will happen got to happen if no happy put up or shut up to stop it happening with your own millions 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buster Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 10 hours ago, Abernethy Dee said: Should we as Dee fans now be joining the Society to give it more strength and as a show of support for them? No, we as Dees should never have abandoned and started bad mouthing the society the way many did. Not a dig at you Abernethy but if you look at the number of people that are still members and read some of the bile directed at them on AN Other forum it's clear that they are not held in high esteem by many Dundee and and it all stems from the perceived behaviour of two or three individuals years ago. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 6 minutes ago, Dundeefc93 said: Dry your eyes people it will happen got to happen if no happy put up or shut up to stop it happening with your own millions Are you saying it's inevitable that the sixth and seventh biggest clubs in the country are going to merge and that fans who are not multi-millionaires have no right to complain if their team goes under? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buster Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 15 minutes ago, Boba Fett said: Speculation will be rife until Keyes & Nelms get a grip of this, come out and explain what’s going on. They desperately need to start communicating with the supporters. Whats going on with the stadium? Nothing, will never happen. Why do you want these shares? They want a way out. Can you categorically rule out any type of amalgamation attempts and playing at the Sticklebrick? No. What’s the mid / long term plan to get this club back in the black? None, they want out ASAP Just a few of the dozens of questions that need answered. Answers above, well my bitter take on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegen65 Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 9 minutes ago, Prince Buster said: No, we as Dees should never have abandoned and started bad mouthing the society the way many did. Not a dig at you Abernethy but if you look at the number of people that are still members and read some of the bile directed at them on AN Other forum it's clear that they are not held in high esteem by many Dundee and and it all stems from the perceived behaviour of two or three individuals years ago. Just out of interest PB, Where do you think Dundee Fc as a club would be now if FPS never took over the reins from DFCSS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkBlues Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 19 minutes ago, Boba Fett said: Speculation will be rife until Keyes & Nelms get a grip of this, come out and explain what’s going on. Why? Because some local paper comes out with a sensational headline about clubs merging? This is nothing more than typical Dundee fans getting their knickers in a twist, because we always read everything is bad and going tits up when there are changes a foot. Again, Internet rumours from the paranoid doom merchant's brigade who love nothing more than stirring shit up... Just because they want to buy these shares doesn't mean there are nefarious reasons for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Lovejoy Posted 10 January 2019 Report Share Posted 10 January 2019 21 minutes ago, TheDarkBlues said: Then we are no different than any other club in Scotland then? Without knowing the ins and outs and the politics at other clubs I'd still guess that we are in a pretty unique position. I can't think of too many clubs in Scotland, bar Utd, who are even close to the situation we find ourselves in. Foreign owners, no real fan representation, in any capacity, lack of transparency, no clear indication of our future path, on or off the pitch, BOD meetings non existent, no accountability for actions, severe lack of communication etc, etc, etc Basically we take what we are given with no real regard shown towards us, the paying punters. Like it or lump it is the only real, clear message being delivered by FPS. That's got to be a fairly unique way of treating customers who pay a premium price for your product. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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