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Well said Steve Clarke.

About time Rangers and Celtic were fined or worse for this shite which others fans hear and have to put up with week in and week out. If both these clubs don't have the bottle to stop their fans, then maybe the police and the courts should be given more power to deal with this pish.

Sectarianism needs to stop, whether it is in football or elsewhere and the rest of Scotland should the these two Glasgow Teams that it will not be tolerated elsewhere.

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The guy is visibly shaken after being abused by thousands of Rangers fans for being a Catholic. Sad to see. Action would be taken if the abuse was racism or anti-semitism but because it's sectarianism it's ok.

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No point punishing the clubs, punish the fans who are doing this crap. I doubt even the 'snowflakes' are actually offended by what's being said but its the intent. If the police feel unable to prevent 50,000 fans singing this stuff then knock 5,000 off the home crowd for safety reasons, if it still persists, knock another 5,000 off the home crowd..... I know its not easy with ST's but I'm sure there are conditions attached to ST's.

I hate using blunt instruments to fix this but there's only so much the clubs can do. Ideally the police would step up and do what they're supposed to and stop pished folk getting into the ground in the first place, they'd rather let people in than deal with the immediate issue of confronting a large number of drunk and angry people. When they're in the ground if the police feel they're not able to stop people 'offending' then this is where limiting supporters to a level that the police feel they can deal with. 

If the Scottish Parliament/Police genuinely want to put this embarrassing crap to bed then it will take tough measures but target the perpetrators, make the people chanting this stuff accountable, it might be difficult but that shouldn't be a barrier in itself. If they just want to be seen to be doing something about it then aye, punish the clubs but its hardly right and unlikely to work if your 'thang' is losing your sh1t at the football and shouting hateful crap. Eventually it might work if those that do care about the club report offenders but surely if this is such a burning issue the authorities would want to do it sooner rather than later, pity it will require a bit of effort.

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Clarke is a master at deflection. He says he was proud that his son grew up in London where this sort of thing doesn't go on and his son didn't have to see it.

Aye - it's much better bringing your son up in a gun totting racist hellhole, Steve. 

Rangers, Celtic and I've even seem Kilmarnock fans (even ours) being guilty of sectarian abuse and it needs squashed. It's not an Old Firm specific problem.

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25 minutes ago, WeighorstsWang said:

Clarke is a master at deflection. He says he was proud that his son grew up in London where this sort of thing doesn't go on and his son didn't have to see it.

Aye - it's much better bringing your son up in a gun totting racist hellhole, Steve. 

Rangers, Celtic and I've even seem Kilmarnock fans (even ours) being guilty of sectarian abuse and it needs squashed. It's not an Old Firm specific problem.

The thing is, I have only ever openly heard this from Rangers and Celtic fans at games. Regardless of where it is coming from, it has no place in Scottish football!

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Guys, do you not think the authorities (SPFL) could sort this out if they wanted to?

Initially, discussion and warnings of what sanctions will be handed out if its not addressed by teams spouting sectarian pish.

If not adhered to, points deduction in the first instance. Then, another points deduction if it's repeated. 

Lastly, if still repeated, play behind closed doors - 50,000 unhappy chappies not getting to sing their songs, peddle their pish and, importantly, less cash in the club coffers.

Maybe then, we'll get somewhere.

(I know, dream on )

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3 minutes ago, Budgem said:

Guys, do you not think the authorities (SPFL) could sort this out if they wanted to?

Initially, discussion and warnings of what sanctions will be handed out if its not addressed by teams spouting sectarian pish.

If not adhered to, points deduction in the first instance. Then, another points deduction if it's repeated. 

Lastly, if still repeated, play behind closed doors - 50,000 unhappy chappies not getting to sing their songs, peddle their pish and, importantly, less cash in the club coffers.

Maybe then, we'll get somewhere.

(I know, dream on )

The problem is this, because Celtic and Rangers are the teams which Sky Sports (and BT Sports to a lesser extent) only want to show and bring in the money, the Scottish bodies are too scared to upset the cash cows of Scotland. If this were other teams like Aberdeen, Hearts or Hibs for example, they would be down on them like a ton of bricks.

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Billy Connelly sums this up brilliantly!

 

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6 minutes ago, TheDarkBlues said:

The problem is this, because Celtic and Rangers are the teams which Sky Sports (and BT Sports to a lesser extent) only want to show and bring in the money, the Scottish bodies are too scared to upset the cash cows of Scotland. If this were other teams like Aberdeen, Hearts or Hibs for example, they would be down on them like a ton of bricks.

Absolutely. 

Similar to the standing in seated areas at grounds. Police/stewards etc don't have the temerity to ask hordes of old firm fans to sit down at grounds around the country. But, when 150 dees at Porkheid or Castle Greyskull stretch their legs by standing, in like a shot. 

"Sit or you're out."

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10 minutes ago, Budgem said:

Absolutely. 

Similar to the standing in seated areas at grounds. Police/stewards etc don't have the temerity to ask hordes of old firm fans to sit down at grounds around the country. But, when 150 dees at Porkheid or Castle Greyskull stretch their legs by standing, in like a shot. 

"Sit or you're out."

😦

Watch any game just about in any league and you’ll see the away support standing for the entire match. 4000 plus Man U supporters at Stamford bridge on Monday night for example. It’s something that’s always infuriated me as you say when going to either of the ugly sisters grounds when 20 yards away the home support do as they please yet we the minority are hammered with the rules and threatened to be kicked out. 😡

Back on topic 😉

I commend Clarke to be honest, nothing is ever going to change if we all sit and accept the pathetic behaviour as “it’s alwys been like that” at least he has the balls to come out and talk about it. If only more senior figures within the game did the same we might actually force a change one day

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A lot of their fans are neanderthals. It's as if there is a genetic deficiency in the West of Scotland, where they go around with their arms hanging down like apes. Apes are more intelligent right enough. And as for their diet, apes are definitely more healthy. 

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57 minutes ago, Dblair said:

I commend Clarke to be honest, nothing is ever going to change if we all sit and accept the pathetic behaviour as “it’s alwys been like that” at least he has the balls to come out and talk about it. If only more senior figures within the game did the same we might actually force a change one day

He's certainly not the first to come out about it - Lennon has been very vociferous in the past.  I think he's a wee bit guilty of soor grapes following a heavy defeat and hitting out wherever he could.

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'It' will never be stamped out of Scottish football. It's endemic in certain sections of Scottish society and has been for 100's of years.

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A Points deduction is the only way to stamp this sh*t out!

Horrible weegie chunts!

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2 minutes ago, Samba_Mad said:

A Points deduction is the only way to stamp this sh*t out!

Horrible weegie chunts!

Not restricted to Glaswegians.

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30 minutes ago, CW 90+3 02/05/16 said:

Why is this topic in the Dundee FC section of the forum?

Dees will be subjected to sectarian bile in less than a week. You could argue it's an issue that concerns all clubs in the country. 

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5 minutes ago, Dondeh said:

Not restricted to Glaswegians.

But definitely a west coast issue!

Other than the absolute whoppers who claim to "support" the OF despite never having actually been to Parkhead or Greyskull, I haven't encountered any sectarianism in Dundee!

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16 minutes ago, Dondeh said:

'It' will never be stamped out of Scottish football. It's endemic in certain sections of Scottish society and has been for 100's of years.

Of course it could, or at least reduced in the way that racism has almost been eradicated. It just requires the will to deal with it, its the lack of will that's the problem. 

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2 minutes ago, Samba_Mad said:

But definitely a west coast issue!

Other than the absolute whoppers who claim to "support" the OF despite never having actually been to Parkhead or Greyskull, I haven't encountered any sectarianism in Dundee!

You've never heard anyone mentions "Tims" or "Huns" ????

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9 minutes ago, Cobra said:

Dees will be subjected to sectarian bile in less than a week. You could argue it's an issue that concerns all clubs in the country. 

We've been subjected to it for the 30 years I've been going to the football from both sides of the Old Firm and for decades before I started going.

Last night has nothing to do with Dundee FC.

It's in the wrong forum.

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6 minutes ago, Chomp my root said:

You've never heard anyone mentions "Tims" or "Huns" ????

I've heard a lot worse than that in the Derry v Rangers and Celtic, albeit from individuals rather than chants.

Hearts have a massive problem too.

Mainly a west coast problem but definitely not exclusively a west coast problem.

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13 minutes ago, Chomp my root said:

Of course it could, or at least reduced in the way that racism has almost been eradicated. It just requires the will to deal with it, its the lack of will that's the problem. 

Agreed.

And that's why it never will be reduced/stamped out in Scotland. It's entrenched at all levels of society.

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Just now, Dondeh said:

Agreed.

And that's why it never will be reduced/stamped out in Scotland.

Never is a brave call. ;)

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