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Managing Director John Nelms speaking in the match programme for tomorrows game against Celtic. He speaks about the Youth Academy, season tickets and new stadium.  The official Dundee FC twitter, put this up; 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, GregTeamDee said:

Managing Director John Nelms speaking in the match programme for tomorrows game against Celtic. He speaks about the Youth Academy, season tickets and new stadium.  The official Dundee FC twitter, put this up; 

 

 

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Thanks for posting this Greg.

Better than no communication, but especially the ST part should have been communicated as part of the ST launch and not as a programme note, or tweet. It would be, however, churlish not to acknowledge that I personally complained that Nelms didn't communicate about the ST package and he has here. More questions and therefore answers around that alone (and a lot besides) are still needed though, in my personal opinion. 

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18 minutes ago, barkblue said:

Thanks for posting this Greg.

Better than no communication, but especially the ST part should have been communicated as part of the ST launch and not as a programme note, or tweet. It would be, however, churlish not to acknowledge that I personally complained that Nelms didn't communicate about the ST package and he has here. More questions and therefore answers around that alone (and a lot besides) are still needed though, in my personal opinion. 

Even if they'd said a couple months ago (transfer window) that the ST's were going to go on sale earlier than they previously had, it would have given folk a chance to start organising. An announcement and then a 2 week window is just piss poor. Sorry, as someone who is generally sympathetic to the club I think this has been really badly handled.

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5 minutes ago, chomp my root said:

Even if they'd said a couple months ago (transfer window) that the ST's were going to go on sale earlier than they previously had, it would have given folk a chance to start organising. An announcement and then a 2 week window is just piss poor. Sorry, as someone who is generally sympathetic to the club I think this has been really badly handled.

Thats what annoys me. Even the finance option isn't available for the 2 week period, so really its just for the supporters that can afford such an outlay in one go. The rest have to pay the bigger prices. The club needs to rectified this. 

However back onto his comments, good to see communication but would prefer a video on the website. 

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4 minutes ago, GregTeamDee said:

Thats what annoys me. Even the finance option isn't available for the 2 week period, so really its just for the supporters that can afford such an outlay in one go. The rest have to pay the bigger prices. The club needs to rectified this. 

However back onto his comments, good to see communication but would prefer a video on the website. 

Correct, it benefits affluent fans.

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1 minute ago, GregTeamDee said:

Thats what annoys me. Even the finance option isn't available for the 2 week period, so really its just for the supporters that can afford such an outlay in one go. The rest have to pay the bigger prices. The club needs to rectified this. 

However back onto his comments, good to see communication but would prefer a video on the website. 

Hadn't thought about the finance options but that's a really good point if they're not available, really poor if that's the case. Personally its the railroading of it all, for whatever reason (they want our cash basically) they've announced the ST's early and are trying to push us into going early. I've gone with it in the past, even last year when we didn't know what league we were going to be in, it seems that this has encouraged them to try and squeeze it further. They've not even given folk a payday to sort it, it just seems so misjudged to me but it is what it is and we'll buy or not as we see it.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Sensible said:

Correct, it benefits affluent fans.

I hate to break it to you but "affluent" people generally have better options anyway. A lot of insurance companies give a discount for paying it in a oner etc... I guess it depends on what you think affluent is.

I'm not sticking up for what the club are doing, just flagging the "affluent" stuff. Bad news mate, its a rich mans/womans/non-binary's world.

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4 minutes ago, chomp my root said:

I hate to break it to you but "affluent" people generally have better options anyway. A lot of insurance companies give a discount for paying it in a oner etc... I guess it depends on what you think affluent is.

I'm not sticking up for what the club are doing, just flagging the "affluent" stuff. Bad news mate, its a rich mans/womans/non-binary's world.

Basically a guy and his wife on minimum wage who have two kids over 12 wont be able to buy the early bird tickets....

But I stick by my original post....benefits guys with money in there pockets.

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23 minutes ago, chomp my root said:

Even if they'd said a couple months ago (transfer window) that the ST's were going to go on sale earlier than they previously had, it would have given folk a chance to start organising. An announcement and then a 2 week window is just piss poor. Sorry, as someone who is generally sympathetic to the club I think this has been really badly handled.

That is exactly my problem. If they'd given us a couple of months prior, or even 4 weeks, or even two weeks prior to the two week fixed, then I'd have been pretty much OK with it.

However to just whack them on sale and announce the best price has 14 days from when the announcement was made is just a crass misjudgement. 

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8 minutes ago, Mr Sensible said:

Basically a guy and his wife on minimum wage who have two kids over 12 wont be able to buy the early bird tickets....

But I stick by my original post....benefits guys with money in there pockets.

I agree with you, its crap but the whole having the cash stuff.... that's life, I cringe at the "won't someone think of the children" stuff. At the risk of sounding more callous than I am, going to watch SPL football isn't one of our basic human rights. If I didn't drink, I'd be loaded, my choice.

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Absolute disaster. Saw the comments on social media and this should be enough for an apology to fans and a quick u turn before anymore damage is done. Flabbergasted by this. Was this Nelms desicion alone? Commercial? Other directors? 

Who is actually advising this man. I won’t be buying right now, I’ll make my mind up at the end of the season when I know what league we are in. His programme comments are condescending and insulting to supporters who will be through his ego and BS.

Most people get paid monthly and they haven’t event given then a chance for another pay day. John Nelms you’ve had an absolute shocker here. Please bring someone in beside you who knows what thure doing. Shouldn’t be too hard, offer a  £40k salary which will still leave you over twice that for doing god knows what.

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42 minutes ago, chomp my root said:

I agree with you, its crap but the whole having the cash stuff.... that's life, I cringe at the "won't someone think of the children" stuff. At the risk of sounding more callous than I am, going to watch SPL football isn't one of our basic human rights. If I didn't drink, I'd be loaded, my choice.

Just wish the club would think out the box on pricing...

like these prices have been rushed out at the worst possible time...

 

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3 minutes ago, Mr Sensible said:

Just wish the club would think out the box on pricing...

like these prices have been rushed out at the worst possible time...

 

Again, I agree, I think they've dropped a bollock here and I hope they bin the 'windows'. We pay a fair whack to usually watch us take a beating at home, its hardly inspirational. This latest offer seems very cynical about trying to rip off the core support and I think they've maybe scored an OG with it. We'll see how the sales go I guess.

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1 hour ago, Deetection said:

Absolute disaster. Saw the comments on social media and this should be enough for an apology to fans and a quick u turn before anymore damage is done. Flabbergasted by this. Was this Nelms desicion alone? Commercial? Other directors? 

Who is actually advising this man. I won’t be buying right now, I’ll make my mind up at the end of the season when I know what league we are in. His programme comments are condescending and insulting to supporters who will be through his ego and BS.

Most people get paid monthly and they haven’t event given then a chance for another pay day. John Nelms you’ve had an absolute shocker here. Please bring someone in beside you who knows what thure doing. Shouldn’t be too hard, offer a  £40k salary which will still leave you over twice that for doing god knows what.

John Nelms already has a financial director David Gray who was appointed after Ian Crichton retired. 

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Why not ask fans just to commit to a season ticket now and allow them to pay it up over the next 4/5 months? Paying £85 a month would still mean the club would get their 340 from each fan by July but would also be a lot more appealing to fans.

There are plenty ways the club could have made this more appealing without actually lowering the price. As it is there is no out of the box thinking. The result is that less current season ticket holders will get one and there is nothing there to encourage new fans. 

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13 hours ago, Mr Sensible said:

Basically a guy and his wife on minimum wage who have two kids over 12 wont be able to buy the early bird tickets....

But I stick by my original post....benefits guys with money in there pockets.

A couple with two kids, both adults on minimum wage, won't even be contemplating a season ticket so your point is moot.

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13 hours ago, Deetection said:

Absolute disaster. Saw the comments on social media and this should be enough for an apology to fans and a quick u turn before anymore damage is done. Flabbergasted by this. Was this Nelms desicion alone? Commercial? Other directors? 

Who is actually advising this man. I won’t be buying right now, I’ll make my mind up at the end of the season when I know what league we are in. His programme comments are condescending and insulting to supporters who will be through his ego and BS.

Most people get paid monthly and they haven’t event given then a chance for another pay day. John Nelms you’ve had an absolute shocker here. Please bring someone in beside you who knows what thure doing. Shouldn’t be too hard, offer a  £40k salary which will still leave you over twice that for doing god knows what.

Who do you think he could get that would have a better knowledge of football than he does for £40,000 PA? That's not much more than the UK average wage of £32,500. You'll never employ a specialist for average wages.

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2 hours ago, Prince Buster said:

Who do you think he could get that would have a better knowledge of football than he does for £40,000 PA? That's not much more than the UK average wage of £32,500. You'll never employ a specialist for average wages.

I’ll bet Motherwell’s GM - who seems to be doing a good job - isn’t on much more than £40k a season.

But fine, offer £50k - under half Nelms’s wage. His salary is ridiculous for his lack of understanding of Dundee supporters and Scottish football.

im currently sat in the Bobby Cox and the place is about 1/4 full. £30 is a scandal 

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5 minutes ago, Deetection said:

I’ll bet Motherwell’s GM - who seems to be doing a good job - isn’t on much more than £40k a season.

But fine, offer £50k - under half Nelms’s wage. His salary is ridiculous for his lack of understanding of Dundee supporters and Scottish football.

im currently sat in the Bobby Cox and the place is about 1/4 full. £30 is a scandal 

With our performances especially at home these last few seasons is it any wonder crowds are smaller! fair play to all who turned up today though.

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1 hour ago, Deetection said:

I’ll bet Motherwell’s GM - who seems to be doing a good job - isn’t on much more than £40k a season.

But fine, offer £50k - under half Nelms’s wage. His salary is ridiculous for his lack of understanding of Dundee supporters and Scottish football.

im currently sat in the Bobby Cox and the place is about 1/4 full. £30 is a scandal 

Not getting into a salary discussion with you except to say that you don't know what John Nelms is taking and you don't know what Motherwell's GM is earning.

I would say though that if Motherwell's GM is earning not much more than £40k maybe he should think about moving to another job because that's a ridiculously low salary for any GM in any industry.

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1 hour ago, Deetection said:

I’ll bet Motherwell’s GM - who seems to be doing a good job - isn’t on much more than £40k a season.

But fine, offer £50k - under half Nelms’s wage. His salary is ridiculous for his lack of understanding of Dundee supporters and Scottish football.

im currently sat in the Bobby Cox and the place is about 1/4 full. £30 is a scandal 

I watched the game on SKY. It is ridiculous charging £30 for the game. 

Judging by how empty the Bobby Cox Stand looked on the TV compared with last week against Hearts it looks like a lot of Dundee supporters decided to watch the game on SKY. 

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2 minutes ago, islaydarkblue said:

I watched the game on SKY. It is ridiculous charging £30 for the game. 

Judging by how empty the Bobby Cox Stand looked on the TV compared with last week against Hearts it looks like a lot of Dundee supporters decided to watch the game on SKY. 

My season ticket sat in my pocket today. Watched it on Sky.

And I'm not ashamed to admit it.

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4 minutes ago, Prince Buster said:

Not getting into a salary discussion with you except to say that you don't know what John Nelms is taking and you don't know what Motherwell's GM is earning.

I would say though that if Motherwell's GM is earning not much more than £40k maybe he should think about moving to another job because that's a ridiculously low salary for any GM in any industry.

It’s very easy to see what Nelms earns by the accounts. I have never spoken to a Dundee fans who doesn’t think he is grossly overpaid. Maybe you think he deserves to earn a £100k + salary, but you’d be a somewhat isolated voice.

I remember Dave MacKinnon being paid by Dundee as a consultant, and again consultancy fees in the accounts showed something like £35k a year, albeit that was a few years ago.

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6 minutes ago, Deetection said:

It’s very easy to see what Nelms earns by the accounts. I have never spoken to a Dundee fans who doesn’t think he is grossly overpaid. Maybe you think he earns a £100k + salary, but you’d be a somewhat isolated voice.

I remember Dave MacKinnon being paid by Dundee as a consultant, and again consultancy fees in the accounts showed something like £35k a year, albeit that was a few years ago.

Hi Deetection,

 I enclose the answer for you which I obtained from the Annual Accounts for the year ending 31st May 2018 which are available on the club website under the section ‘Club’. https://d1ssu070pg2v9i.cloudfront.net/pex/dfc/2019/02/27095347/2018-Accounts-signed-full.pdf

Scroll down to Directors remuneration and all is revealed. It is listed as £128,708 excluding pension contributions which is a reduction from the total of £152,500 the previous financial year ending 31st May 2017. 

It states that there is no distinction between directors and key management personnel.

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