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Is Sat's ICT Game Now Become (Another) ..... "Must Win Game"

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Every game, every week, seems to now fall into the "must win category"  After Tuesdays's game, this one maybe does (imo)

For the sake of Dundee FC, Our Manager. The Team,The Supporters. And even to get some perspective back to TDB posters,

As 5.00pm draws near on Sat. I hope all of us DFC fans have reason for celebration. And what follows is happy positive forum.

I've not added anything at all to the post game forum posts/comments. Maybe because it's all been said (or I just do not know)

I think I am one of those posters mentioned, who have been at times, overhigh in my praise of PH. Maybe too slow to criricise.

Still believe tho' this stubborness, is a belief/determination to do it right. Still learning, but a hard working ambitious professional.

Who knows exactly what is going on in his mind (I am sure like all of us, he is not sure himself, when/why, things go all wrong)

Anyway, this topic is not about focusing on PH and team tactics. Although I wish he could choose a team from a fully fit squad.

Really, really, hope, we get that great performance and victory on Sat. "Happy Days Again"  For DFC, Team, Manager, & Forum.

Another defeat, especialy after Tuesday. (And our great start in our 4-0 opening away game) is not what any of us want, or need.

Let's do it right DFC. Let's get this, back on track "C'mon the DEE " Make Sat's game a game to remember for the right reasons.

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Saturday isn't a must win game. Nothing whatsoever will be decide if we lose. Some will go into meltdown. Most will go home disappointed and look to the next game and another chance of 3 points.

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Meekings, Lopez, Tansey, Doran, Foran and Warren all out injured for ICT.

Despite our own injury crisis, we will never get a better chance to beat them.

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Cup games are must win. No second chances.

We'll be OK in the league, probably mid table. But we're not strong enough mentally to win the bigger games. We seem to play well when there's no real pressure.

Can see us struggling against their midfield again, but with Tansey and Warren out then that's a big loss for them.

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The way ICT have started the season we really should be looking to take all three points, especially at home. Wouldn't say 'must win' at this stage of the season but we have got them at the perfect time. They look pretty blunt up top.

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If we want to win the league then Saturday is indeed must win.

If we don't harbor those aspirations then no. It is a game we should be winning looking at Caleys team and form. If we don't win this board will be unreadable - seems to be a high proportion of negative posters coming to the fore this past week or 2.

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Sorry guys, I am always going to be of the opinion that every single game is a "must win" game, no matter how far into the season we are.

To go out thinking otherwise is self-defeating.

Yes, we know it probably won't be, against the likes of Celtic, but it shouldn't stop the team looking upon it as a "we must take something from this game".

Over the course of the season every single point dropped and every single goal scored against us can end up costing us dear.

(What price scraping the league win by goal difference when our nearest rival wins 10-2?)

I agree, to expect to win every game may be a little foolish, but we most certainly should never go out thinking "ach we're gonna lose" or even "Yeah a draw will do us"

Is ICT a *must win*? The same as any other game is.

Because, if that mind-set is not in place, we find ourselves in a position where the number of games begins to run out, and then some become truly must win. (And all the resultant pressures that brings, which can lead to making sure we don;t do so!)

At the VERY least every game should be a "mustn't lose"

ETA:

I get the point, however, that from a diferent view point (IE- The sanity of our support and the stabilty of the fanbase and indeed to end the rumblings against the team/club/PH) then, additionally for those reasons alone, yes... ICT is a must win.)

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Saturday isn't a must win game. Nothing whatsoever will be decide if we lose. Some will go into meltdown. Most will go home disappointed and look to the next game and another chance of 3 points.

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Oh you and your reasonable outlook on things. We don't care for that kind of thing round these parts.

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Sorry guys, I am always going to be of the opinion that every single game is a "must win" game, no matter how far into the season we are.

To go out thinking otherwise is self-defeating.

Yes, we know it probably won't be, against the likes of Celtic, but it shouldn't stop the team looking upon it as a "we must take something from this game".

Over the course of the season every single point dropped and every single goal scored against us can end up costing us dear.

(What price scraping the league win by goal difference when our nearest rival wins 10-2?)

I agree, to expect to win every game may be a little foolish, but we most certainly should never go out thinking "ach we're gonna lose" or even "Yeah a draw will do us"

Is ICT a *must win*? The same as any other game is.

Because, if that mind-set is not in place, we find ourselves in a position where the number of games begins to run out, and then some become truly must win. (And all the resultant pressures that brings, which can lead to making sure we don;t do so!)

At the VERY least every game should be a "mustn't lose"

ETA:

I get the point, however, that from a diferent view point (IE- The sanity of our support and the stabilty of the fanbase and indeed to end the rumblings against the team/club/PH) then, additionally for those reasons alone, yes... ICT is a must win.)

Oh I want us to go out and win every game.

When we play Aberdeen / Celtic / Utd away I often say I'll take a draw (for different reasons)

Must win games are those that have dire consequences if you don't get all 3 points - sucked into a relegation place, missing out on Europe, difference between op and bottom 6 (financially more than prestige wise), manager on a shoogly peg etc

The reality is if we lose to or draw with Caley we will  be disappointed but later in the season we will probably snatch an unexpected 3 points from somewhere and the Caley game won't be worth a jot in the scheme of things.

For a bit of perspective we won just 11 league games in the league last season and managed a 6th place finish. So far we have won 2 this season and have only played 1 team that is a stick on for bottom 6. We've had a tough start this season and have the same points tally as we did last season from a far easier set of fixtures.

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The fact that Inverness are missing a lot of key players makes up for us missing our certain starters. Keep creating plenty of chances and the wins will come. Not sure if we have ever beat ICT at home before so hopefully we can win and after beating the saints finally at dens it would be a decent start to the league season despite missing key players.

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If we want to win the league then Saturday is indeed must win.
F3ck finishing in the top 6, eh want a cup!!!!!!. :P

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Below the top 3 sides, every other home game ought to be treated as if it was a "must win", by the players.

If we have serious aspirations to finish 6th or higher, we need to be looking at those 8 finishing below us & that'll only happen if we take more points off them than they do from us.

We've not done so well against ICT recently, they've not started well, this really is the time to be winning.

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The phrase must-win suggests to me that a draw would be a very bad result, and a draw at this stage in this season is usually acceptable.

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I do agree that we have to win this one. Another 3 points on the board will keep us in the upper half of the table. We don't want teams to build a bit of a gap from us. The likes of County and Hamilton for example. 

A win would also give us a massive boost, plus with the international break coming up, it should allow us time to hopefully get over our injury problems and start again fresh once we resume. 

Inverness are not the same team they were. Plus, they have quite a few players out too so we should be taking advantage of the situation. 

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Not a "must win" in a million years.

To suggest the 6th league game of the season in August is a must win is quite frankly laughable.

Edited by Perth Road Dee

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Oh I want us to go out and win every game.

When we play Aberdeen / Celtic / Utd away I often say I'll take a draw (for different reasons)

Must win games are those that have dire consequences if you don't get all 3 points - sucked into a relegation place, missing out on Europe, difference between op and bottom 6 (financially more than prestige wise), manager on a shoogly peg etc

The reality is if we lose to or draw with Caley we will  be disappointed but later in the season we will probably snatch an unexpected 3 points from somewhere and the Caley game won't be worth a jot in the scheme of things.

For a bit of perspective we won just 11 league games in the league last season and managed a 6th place finish. So far we have won 2 this season and have only played 1 team that is a stick on for bottom 6. We've had a tough start this season and have the same points tally as we did last season from a far easier set of fixtures.

Hey Deefiant,

That's kinda my point though...

If we don't look to *win every game* then we will end up on that shoogly peg when every game literally does become a must win.

S'why my philosophy is EVERY game is a must win - or else we'll end up needing to MUST win every game....

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Not a "must win" in a million years.

To suggest the 6th league game of the season in August is a must win is quite frankly laughable.

"Big Picture", PRD... "Big Picture".

These are the games we don't want to look back on and think "If only we'd gotten *those* three points..."

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Hey Deefiant,

That's kinda my point though...

If we don't look to *win every game* then we will end up on that shoogly peg when every game literally does become a must win.

S'why my philosophy is EVERY game is a must win - or else we'll end up needing to MUST win every game....

I'm struggling with your suggestion that every game is a must win but there exists a sub class of an "actual must win game". Surely you can see that by very definition your "actual" must win game is the proper definition of must win and the other games are just run of the mill matches where the outcome can be positive or negative with no great immediate consequences?!

You seem to be simultaneously defending and contradicting your point in one post.

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One of the points I was trying to make in starting this topic was to highlight the overuse of the "must win" phrase. That's why I put (another) in brackets.

Winning a game, whether for the addition of 3 points towards final league position, or furthering progress in a cup competition is always rightly important.

But there was no way I was suggesting DFC should be expected to win every game, whatever their form, their injury situation, or the quality of opposition.

If we lose on Sat, it does mean of course 3 points lost (which is always hard to take)  However I was thinking from the point of view of morale/confidence.

Of the team it's self and the DFC supporters. A win on Saturday would maybe take away some of the pain of the result on Tuesday. A hard one to take.

The fact tho there is an international break coming up, adds to the situation as well. If we can turn on a winning decent performance adding 3 points  :) 

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