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CW 90+3 02/05/16

Is Getting beaten From Celtic At Parkhead Just One Of These Things?

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Lost count of the amount of heavy defeats we've had there in the past 17 years.

One win there in over 25 years.

One or two draws in same period I think.

Pretty much an inevitable defeat every time we go there and more often than not a heavy one.

To answer my own question, if we were beaten by a goal or two today and gave them a game, I wouldn't have been too disheartened.

To lose 6-0 but could have easily been anything above 10-0 on another day is an embarrassment and unacceptable.

I expect the defeat but 6 going on 10 isn't acceptable.

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Didn't see the game so can't comment on this particular game.

However my general view is that whilst defeat may be often inevitable, it's more the manner of it. Getting rolled over by a Larrson inspired Celtic or a Rangers side with Van Bronkhorst is a very different thing to these results.

If a Dee team goes down fighting at Parkhead then I'm happy

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Lost count of the amount of heavy defeats we've had there in the past 17 years.

One win there in over 25 years.

One or two draws in same period I think.

Pretty much an inevitable defeat every time we go there and more often than not a heavy one.

To answer my own question, if we were beaten by a goal or two today and gave them a game, I wouldn't have been too disheartened.

To lose 6-0 but could have easily been anything above 10-0 on another day is an embarrassment and unacceptable.

I expect the defeat but 6 going on 10 isn't acceptable.

No it isn't.

Competing and being organised should be a given.

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Said in another thread most teams will get beaten at Parkhead, its the manner of our last two maulings that has been totally unacceptable, no fight or passion, just a meek acceptance that we are going to be beaten, not good enough in any shape or form.

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That's the main reason I didn't go, fed up going there and watching a half hearted effort.

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Competing and being organised should be a given.

Agreed. That's all anyone is asking for.

Whatever the hell Hartley put out there today was the most shambolic vomit I've ever seen. The players themselves knew it wasn't working yet he did nothing to help them.

He's very lucky that a) it wasn't at least ten and b ) we have owners that don't ask too many questions.

For me he's coming up short too often.

Edited by blythswood

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As mentioned elsewhere, I started getting accustomed to losing to Celtic not long after I started going to games in the early/mid 60's, including the awful 8-1 hiding at Dens....and this was with one of our really good sides.

Any time (after 1964's 4-0 v Killie) we got to a cup semi, we got Celtic, and lost....often by a few....but we had a good side & they had a great one (arguably).

Since then, apart from 5-1 & a few close wins at Celtic Park, we seem to catch them on (our) bad days. No idea why, as this spans a few decades. We don't seem to do so badly against the other half.

A mystery to me :chin:

What's hard to overlook, though, is if the team doesn't appear to be putting up much fight, or changing things to plug leaks.

Smaller clubs don't seem to get humped as often as us....or is it just our perception, as we're not exactly paying attention to those ones, except the Arabs, of course.

Aberdeen survived that 9-0 hiding, and improved. I'm sure we will too.

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Even our record at Dens against them is abysmal. Not one solitary win since the 80's!

We all like to claim United lie down against Celtic for their shocking record at Celtic Park, but they at least manage to turn them over at home every once in a while.

Can't be many other teams in the Premiership that have a worse record against Timmy than we do.

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Beating Celtic at dens is one of the things I long for again.

Ridiculous length of time.

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Think we're going to have a long wait on both fronts (beating them home or away) if the players and management are possibly viewing it as a nothing game opportunity wise. 

Beat before a ball is kicked.

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Think we're going to have a long wait on both fronts (beating them home or away) if the players and management are possibly viewing it as a nothing game opportunity wise. 

Beat before a ball is kicked.

Thats the problem right there...

Gotta say, I'm still a bit in shock at this admission....

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I realise Bain was naive and lacking in thought when he made his now infamous "nothing game" comment but perhaps some mild overreaction by some. In all honesty, i kinda get what he possibly (i hope) meant - a game where we expect nothing so nothing is what we got - no surprise. If we are being kind, he was talking retrospectively AFTER the fact rather than describing the mentality before the kick-off. Perhaps?

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I realise Bain was naive and lacking in thought when he made his now infamous "nothing game" comment but perhaps some mild overreaction by some. In all honesty, i kinda get what he possibly (i hope) meant - a game where we expect nothing so nothing is what we got - no surprise. If we are being kind, he was talking retrospectively AFTER the fact rather than describing the mentality before the kick-off. Perhaps?

:)

I love your positive outlook on this HKB!

:)

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Hartley didn't give us a chance with that line up and formation. However the players let themselves and us down by chucking it.

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Just trying to give the guy a break...doubt if many fans, including those who travelled through, expected anything from the game. Our record against them over the last 30 or so years tends to encourage pessimistic attitudes...

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Just trying to give the guy a break...doubt if many fans, including those who travelled through, expected anything from the game. Our record against them over the last 30 or so years tends to encourage pessimistic attitudes...

I can see what you're trying to say and I don't think Bain should be hung out to dry for a comment that maybe didn't come across quite the way he was meaning but if the management and players went into games against Celtic with a more positive "can do" attitude, despite our record against them then we'd maybe sneak the odd point or get a much narrower respectable defeat rather than the negative line up and body language against them the last 2 times which has seen us beat 6-0 and 5-0.

Look at the outcome at Dens last season when we had a go at them. 1-1 and could have been 4-1 us with beter finishing.

Same with the first visit to Parkhead last season, we had a real go, got beat by single goal and came away from the game positive after our performance.

The last 4 times we've played Celtic since and at least once against Aberdeen we've went with a negative formation and offered next to nothing in an attacking sense.

We canot score, win or even draw these games playing like that as we aren't good enough defensively therefore it's only a question of how many we get beat by.

Edited by Perth Road Dee

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Too me "the can do" attitude shud come from management.

Now ph seemingly having a pop at the players suggests that the cant do attitude ain't coming from him.

Whether it is or isn't who knows.

Managers cant help individual errors but they can instill belief.

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Sadly, perhaps PH couldn't instill belief because he himself didn't have any. A self-fulfilling prophecy and all that...?

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Sadly, perhaps PH couldn't instill belief because he himself didn't have any. A self-fulfilling prophecy and all that...?

His tactics seem to suggest that but his comments in the press don't.

Could be an interesting team talk v county if the players think he's blaming them unfairly.

I was actually pleasantly surprised he had the balls to have a wee go.

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Yep...i was surprised he so openly blamed the players on the park for the manner of defeat...and i doubt he would do so if not justified?

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