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  1. 14 points
    I think you have to go back to Gordon Chisholm to find a manager that last achieved a feat that no other Dundee boss has since. Whether Barry Smith, John Brown, Paul Hartley, Neil McCann or the current incumbent, Jim McIntyre, not one of those gaffers has united the support in a way that Chis and his assistant Billy Dodds did. Admittedly, the near unification was that no one thought the ex-Arab and Dee defector were the right men for the job and while circumstances overtook the ex-DAB and Queen of the South manager, that he followed a Dee legend in Jocky Scott, who was sacked while his side were still top of the table, didn’t help. However the disdain they received was well earned during what proved to be a truly abject period for the club on and off the park. Since then, no matter who has stood at the helm of the good ship DFC Dens Park, there has been ever shifting sections of the great Dark Blue support who have simply refused to accept them. Sir Barry of Smith did the impossible, offering the Dee’s a season of Deefiance, with record breaking runs and the ability to stick two fingers up at the rest of Scottish Football delivered as his team shrugged off a 25 point deduction. But even that hasn’t been enough to stop some rewriting history and suggest that Barry had little to do with the upturn in form his team mustered, even though he found and then cajoled a mix of bit part trialists, youths, juniors and, admittedly, a handful of top-notch first teamers into an ever changing side that defied the odds on a weekly basis. Sacked after he couldn’t work the same magic with a Championship team playing in the Premier League, it was Dark Blue Legend, or side-mouth talking Hun mad man, depending on your view point, John Brown, that just about turned the relegation headed ship around. However the anger that came from the stands every time Brown’s team didn’t work miracles meant it was only going to be a matter of time before a manager that put some fight back into an apologetic team would be shot down. Whether Bomber turned his guns on himself or was put in the crosshairs by the board is still a matter for debate. That he tumbled from grace when his relegated Dundee team were second in the second tier meant that surely it would take a miracle to catapult The Dee back to where they wanted to be - the top flight. Enter The Messiah, or indeed, the very naughty, stubborn, fat beardy Paul Hartley, depending on your spin. With his Godly name erroneously bestowed on him by those seemingly desperate for the ex-serial promotion winning Alloa manager to fail, not only did Hartley get Brown’s team over the line and straight into the rumoured land of milk & honey, but he also catapulted the club up to its best league finish since the turn of the millennium. And still he got it in the neck for cup defeats, and admittedly some of the most embarrassing derby disasters the club has ever seen. Although the Doon Derby payback he provided is something anyone who was there will simply never forget, no matter whether they were spinning triumphant dark blue above their head or sporting tear stained tangerine. The only slight downside to that night of nights was that it confirmed Hartley’s team had slipped from 6th to 8th in the space of a year and his side tumbled further the next season. The wheels coming careening off at break neck speed and ultimately finding the much beleaguered Hartley, now known as an angry stubborn has been (Falkirk supporters might not even be so complimentary) openly admitting he’d run out of ideas as Dundee slipped to second bottom of the league. Cue the least expected appointment in recent Dundee FC history (you might have to go back to ‘Coco’ Smith in 1988 for a more left-field appointment) as the ex-Dee young gun and returning Deefiant hero Neil McCann took on the job of securing the seven points from five games needed to ensure survival. That he did so in his first three ties in charge, with two away wins and a home draw, can in no way be underestimated. A team that looked in danger of being sucked into the one automatic relegation slot instead climbing away from the play-offs and to safety. It was a cameo no one expected and one few thought was a good idea, so surely this master of Houdini like escapology should be offered the job full time? Well… two capitulations in the final two games of the special guest star appearance should have set alarm bells ringing and when the man himself initially turned down the offer to prolong his stay those bells should have become a blaring klaxon. But with no ‘plan B’ (a feature of John Nelms' time at the helm) and a change of heart from the end of season superhero, the stopgap became a permanent fixture. What had initially seemed to be a masterstroke of survival quickly became an act of folly, McCann’s side and ideas occasionally inspired but often insipid. And after another season of flirting with relegation the early reservations of a section of the support began to spread through the believers who had bought into the supposedly modern, exciting brand of football we were promised but never quite saw. Maybe more than any before him Neil McCann split the support. Those who remembered his playing exploits and who were firmly behind his managerial ethos still, even now, backing the man when it was clear to everyone else that his appointment had been a failed experiment that might eventually prove the catalyst to Dundee losing their top flight status. As all managers do, McCann clung on but with the club looking to foist outside ideas on him, things came to breaking point with The Dee at the bottom of the table. Enter a man with all the attributes that most Dark Blues were looking for. A track record in mid-season rebuilding, a more pragmatic approach to grinding out results in the Scottish game and more than ten minutes of steering a club through troubled waters. Best to mention that he’s also an ex-Arab, wanted to appoint a guy as his assistant that many long suffering supporters remember as a turncoat who tried to kill this club when he – a certain Billy Dodds – and Gordon Chisholm (yes, that pair who last galvanised fan opinion in such a negative manner) voted against a win or bust CVA to come out of administration. Not the best start, granted, but the anti-McIntyre sentiments from many have simmered close to boiling point from the moment he was brought into the club and it’s clear there’s a section of support already lining up to lambast him if he can’t patch up the clearly sinking ship he inherited. Factor in that the type of player Neil McCann signed was never going to fit with Jim McIntyre’s footballing vision and that we are now trying to ship a minimum of ten players out of the club mid-season, while probably needing just as many to replace them, should be no surprise. It is, however, yet another recipe for disaster. There’s no way back now. Three loanees - Calvin Miller, Andy Boyle and Adil Nabi - have been sent home. Marcus Haber has returned from his short spell at Falkirk only to be, quite rightly, shown the door, while Grant Nelson (who?) has also been given the bums’ rush. Another five, Kharl Madianga, Elton Ngwatala, Jean Alassane Mendy, Sofien Moussa and Lewis Spence, have been told they are no longer in the club’s plans and can leave. Then if you add to that Finnish international Glen Kamara following the path so many Dundee players have before him – to the bench at Ibrox Park – and to say that the pressure is on McIntyre to work miracles is a massive understatement. Will the support give him time to get it right? Probably until about the 70th minute of the Scottish Cup return from the winter shutdown against Queen of the South. If we’re not 3-0 up by then it’ll be time to have a rummage for those well used pitchforks and burning torches. Best o’ luck Jim, I’m sure we’re all right behind you! View full blog
  2. 12 points
    I couldn't give a monkey's about long term or even next season right now. McIntyre picked up a dysfunctional shower of absolute dross and it will be a significant achievement for him to prevent us from automatic relegation. So for me a play off is good enough this season, the OP suggests that it's McIntyre's responsibility to get us into tenth or better and at the same time to implement a future vision that will see us progress - nonsense. McIntyre needs to prevent us finishing bottom and if necessary to get us through a play off. How he does that is irrelevant and so what if he started bypassing our best player in his efforts to achieve the goal - that same best player that clearly isn't interested and has probably now played his last game for us. If he does that then a conversation needs to be had as to whether he has a vision for the longer term, if not he should go and another man brought in. I don't think the OP gets the desperation of our current situation and doesn't really appreciate just how bad the squad McCann built is.
  3. 12 points
    Whilst I absolutely understand why any poster could be less than ecstatic about the fact the new managers has only picked up 7 points and question if he was the best appointmentment I struggle with messaging that states things are worse than under NM. What fact based argument is there for this as I've not read one? I was a supporter of what NM wanted to do and enjoyed the moments when it worked but it became abundantly clear that we were shopping in places where the goods didn't match the menu the manager wanted to serve up and ultimately we were heading for failure and relegation. Players who looked like rabbits in headlights are without question improved under JM - Kerr, Nathan, Hamilton, Kusunga, Kenny M, Curran as starters for ten. Today we had 15 attempts on goal, many due to early balls into the box, whilst pretty triangles at the back are maybe good football I'm still a supporter who likes to see goalmouth action at the right end of the pitch.
  4. 12 points
    Ridiculous the amount of negativity from a few on here and on social media. The fact that some are using a defeat away to Celtic as reason to stick the boot into Macintyre just shows they can’t wait to jump at the chance to claim he’s a failure. Claims that because of today we will definitely be going down are not helpful and just not true. Face reality that its not Macintyres fault that we don’t have a team good enough to go away to Celtic, Aberdeen and Killie (in current form) and win. Face reality that we can’t appoint a Gordon Strachan or Guardiola level of manager. We have appointed a manager with as good a record as any available to us and the support needs to get fully behind him. Any negativity only helps St Mirren and Hamilton. We have improved since Macintyre took over. The problem remains that we simply do not have enough quality to bring in when 1 or 2 have been unavailable. We’ve done well in games where we’ve had our best 11 available but really struggled otherwise. In my mind since Livi away it has only been about not being completely cut adrift come January. No reason why we can’t pick up points in the next two games and if we do we will remain in touching distance of Hamilton and St Mirren. Then we can bring in the necessary improvements. The fans need to continue their support for the team. Hitting the self destruct button after every defeat is not going to help us in any way. All it might do is rub off on the players.
  5. 11 points
    O'Dea is right to get dirty. One of the reasons we're bottom of the league is because we've been playing fair and getting mugged off by cheating opposition and incompetent officials. I wouldn't applaud what O'Dea did but we've played the victims one too many times for my liking. Time to do whatever it takes to stay up. If Scottish football wants fair play then get video technology or hammer folk with retrospective punishment because at the moment cheats prosper and if we don't play dirty we'll get shafted week after week.
  6. 10 points
    Agreed. Neil McCann.
  7. 10 points
    Reality - We're the worst team in the league and have been all season (not by a mile but by a fraction behind St Mirren. The table never lies) McCann assembled this team. We were awful beyond belief under McCann hence we lost every time we turned up against anyone not called Hamilton this season We're still pretty awful under McIntyre with McCann's team but not as awful as draws against Rangers, Hibs & St Mirren have shown (all improvements on McCann's results against the same 3 clubs) There's been signs of improvement under McIntrye (settled XI until Saturday. 4 games unbeaten run. Come backs. More organised and better to watch etc) We will be beaten by Aberdeen, Killie (this season) and Celtic under McCann/McIntyre/Pep/Zidane/Shankly etc as we are fkn miles off them in terms of quality/players/points on board etc. Fully behind JM in this extremely difficult task he's taken on in turning round a shambles with only one difficult transfer window to do so in. If we go down, he'll have played a part but it will not be his fault. Anyone would be struggling to turn round the results we were getting under McCann with the squad he left us after 3 transfer windows. Absolute head scratcher seeing boys criticising a manager who has improved us slightly and is playing with several players who in the squad who aren't up to standard who he didn't sign. There's your reality. Merry Christmas.
  8. 9 points
    I have a feeling that Keyes will put his hand in his pocket and use his own cash to pay off players. I think regardless of what league we are in next year, there has to be a major rethink of how this club runs from top to bottom. Some real hard truth's need to come out and maybe heads need to roll. While as a fan, I loved watching new players come into the club over the last 5 years, but I also believe that this philosophy has been our biggest downfall. We really could do with stability on the park for a few years and not this revolving doors policy.
  9. 8 points
    And yet Morelos goes through the Old Firm game kicking, grabbing etc and has no case to answer......
  10. 8 points
    Had some great debates ,info, rumours ,shared joy , shared pain, some great laughs on here. To each and every one of you , regular or occasional posters, guests too- Happy New Year- all the very best to you all and your families . Onward to another year with this glorious special club of ours.DDYB
  11. 8 points
    You lot think you have problems, that’s my signed official DFC Calendar phucked there’s no DFC players in it
  12. 8 points
  13. 8 points
    2-0 us? Under McIntyre? Some one found your login details?
  14. 8 points
    It's hard not to think you're disappointed that we got a point today....a home defeat may perhaps have strengthened your "JM is Mixu" case. Livi didn't dominate either half, nor did they cause havoc anywhere....they just played their usual away game, crowded our players in posession, chased every second ball, aimed plenty of high balls into our box, but created no clear scoring chances....only shot on target was straight at Hamilton. We didn't play well, but created more opportunities to win the game....and ought to have, with a couple of them.
  15. 8 points
    Unfortunately a man can only p**h with the cock he's got. McIntyre inherited a flaccid mini dick from his predecessor; you know the guy that froze out senior players because they didn't agree with him and whose man management style and methods were ripped up for lavvie roll by nearly every player that he binned and who he replaced with total sh**e (if he bothered to replace them at all). You need to accept that McCann's gone, that he was an awful manager and you should start supporting the club. We don't have someone with the experience and standing in the game of Steve Clarke to come in and sort things out, we have Jim McIntyre. People who don't want to give McIntyre a chance are damaging the club further; and let's face it, the club's well and truly broken as it is. If things are not significantly better by the middle of February I'll agree that you have a point and it's down to management; however I'll aim my vitriol higher than the guy that's been landed with a near impossible task.
  16. 8 points
    Defeats away from home to Killie, Aberdeen and Celtic need to be viewed with some perspective. Its not as if we have had anything out of the last two in years and this is our worst squad in years. 4 points next week and we will have trebled the points picked up in the first round of fixtures and I’m confident that will see us within touching distance of Accies and Saint M.
  17. 8 points
    Today's results heap pressure on us, although not unexpected it makes our survival a lot more unlikely. We have one of the worst squads in our History, it's been a horrific season which looks like it's going to end in relegation. Jmac has only about 8 players that he can count on at the moment, it's a terrible indictment of the previous manager and our chairman.
  18. 7 points
    I think you are mostly right. Generally speaking, if you pressure opposition defences for 90 minutes at this level and keep tight, you expect that you'll benefit from one f**k up at least. Very good game plan if you do it right. When they played us, I get the impression that they were maybe a bit tired as December is a tough month and they've a lot of guys like Jacobs, Pittman, Byrne etc who just seem to run for 90 minutes. I do think they benefit as well from having certain players that do have a good delivery though. Lawless hasn't had a huge number of goals or direct assists but he always seems to get the ball down the wing and hit a decent delivery in which then leads to something else. I think he's been a tremendous good value signing for them. It's pretty impressive what they've managed to achieve. They've taken a defence from League One (and a 'keeper who was out of his depth at that level) and just pretty much drilled them intensely so they know each other in their sleep. Their particular focus to sports science has been mentioned in the past and they seem to pretty much recruit a profile that fits into it. They won't be the most skillful team in the league but they know that if they are the fittest and most organised, they can play stats and be comfortable. The last few years and seeing Livi and St Johnstone type teams have changed my mindset. Under Hartley and McCann, they both set us up to be play a bit of football. Hartley in particular had an unreal attack with Hemmings leading the line and then Stewart and Harkins behind him. When it worked out, it was outstanding to watch and Hartley's sides did get you excited in certain periods - we all thought it was going to come together when he fixed the defence I think. Realistically, it's a very very hard thing to achieve in this league and I can't really recall a team sized like ourselves doing that well in a league campaign setting themselves up like that. I think that the evidence is overwhelming that smaller sides do well by starting with a well organised team that can defend for their lives.
  19. 7 points
    He's made 16 appearances so he's been very much in the first-team picture but hasn't started week in week out. Scott Allan struggled to get in Dundee's team this time last year. Doesn't mean he wasn't good enough. McCann just had trouble fitting him into the system. No point us worrying about his time over the road anyway. He's a Dee now and McIntyre is delighted to have him at the club. I'm looking forward to seeing him against Queens.
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  21. 7 points
    Excellent, the window isn't even open yet and the term 'lazy signing' has already been coined. Why can't we just give the manager a chance then when he makes signings give them a chance? If it doesn't work out that's the time to get tore into the manager and players but reality is there's naff all we can do about it right now so let's get behind them. No, my account hasn't been hacked.
  22. 7 points
    Like you I said at the time that he was the wrong appointment, holy sh*t I even said Stevie Wonder could see it. Unlike you I don't think Nelms should shoulder some of the blame - I think he should shoulder it all. Atrocious appointment by an incompetent MD clearly out of his depth.
  23. 7 points
    It( worse football) has delivered more than the previous managers insinuated better style this season. I'd love to see DFC play like Man City but the reality is we don't have the tools to even be a very very poor mimic. People rave about Saintees, Motherwell (previous seasons) and at times Hearts.....they play a very similar style to the one being deployed now which is not nearly as bad as some posters are trying to make out. Personally id rather we pick up more points and survive than watch ineffective triangles deliver no points at home, ultimately ending in relegation.
  24. 7 points
    Dolly Menga tried his hardest to get Andy Boyle sent off. IF O'Dea made the most of Hamilton's challenge then I'm glad that we're at last showing a bit of street wise nous instead of rolling over and accepting a kicking every week.
  25. 7 points
    What did you expect when our half of our alleged first team players can't even make the bench? That shows you how poor the recruitment has been and is an absolute disgrace that McCann was allowed to bring in this utter dross. I do not blame McIntyre at all for these results. I feel sorry for him having to work with this group of pro footballers.
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