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    This weeks View From The Opposition comes from a player that has played in both the Dark Blue and Red of both teams, Gavin Rae.

    We very quickly caught up with Gavin who now lives in Australia to talk briefly about the events with his former club up North. (The questions were asked before today's announcement that Derek McInnes had decided to knock back The Rangers)

    The big talking point at this minute is the Derek McInnes situation regarding the vacant Rangers job. It’s been reported today (Wednesday) that McInnes and his assistant never took training and were meeting with Stewart Milne away from Pittodrie. Does this look more than likely that Aberdeen will need to start looking for a new manager very soon?

    Yes it certainly does. Once it gets to this stage - it only looks like there will be only one outcome. 

    Aberdeen have hit a rough patch recently with one win in five. It’s quiet out of character for the Dons. Players might say otherwise but do you think the ongoing speculation regarding the manager has had an effect on the club?

    I don’t think the players would admit it and I have been in the same situation also but sub consciously I think it must play a part - hard to tell really.

    With you now living in Australia now, you might not have seen Aberdeen as much but how do you feel new signings Gary Mackay Stevens and Greg Stewart have done considering they have had to fill the gap Johnny Hayes and Niall McGinn left? Their stats seem to be underwhelming when compared to the players above and also their stints at both Dundee clubs.

    Johnny and Niall were such pivotal players for Aberdeen for a good few years that it’s hard to come in and replace that straight away. I’m sure Greg(who proved himself at Dundee) and Gary (who is a great player) will do so.

    The past few seasons have seen second place more of less Aberdeen’s for the taking but this year they have Rangers and Hibs pushing them now. After two defeats against the Glasgow club it would seem they have some serious competition?

    Yes of course. And it’s always gonna happen. Rangers are getting stronger as they were always going to. Hibs are going well also. 

    The Dons have put their plans on hold regarding the new proposed stadium but Mine is hoping that their application can be heard by the Council this month. How much does the club need to move to a new stadium?

    I really hope they manage to push through the new training ground and stadium because for the progression of the club it is crucial. It’s such a good club that is being held back by lack of facilities. 

    Again, with you residing in down under, you may have not seen much of Dundee but from what you have hear or read, what players do you think will cause the most problems for Aberdeen

    Well Mark O’Hara is doing great and is scoring goals. Along with El Bakhtaoui's pace and finishing ability - they are the two on form that will cause problems. 

    It’s been sixteen games since we last beat Aberdeen in the League, going all the way back to 2004. With Aberdeen stutter in the league just now, can Dundee finally grab all three points or will the Dons make it eight wins on the trot against us?

    It’ll be a big ask, but it’ll be a close game either way. 

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      But, back in season 1977/78 it was Hearts who put Dundee's bid for glory on hold for another season as the Dark Blues made their second vain attempt to get out of the backwater of First Division football.
      At the end of the first season of the brand new Premier League, it was Dundee who unfortunately were relegated along with St.Johnstone but only after a brave fight with our street neighbours and Aberdeen, with goal difference the deciding factor.
      People still say to this day that we never recovered from our term in the lower league - I would say that there must be an element of truth in that although Simon and Jim are doing their damnedest to ensure that the only way is up for our club.
      Look what happened to the survivors - Aberdeen and United since then - a total of sixteen trophies between them including a European win plus another final and all three domestic honours!
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      In season 1976/77 a superb St. Mirren and a slick Clydebank left Dundee to languish in the First Division for a second year which was to prove very competitive as Hearts joined Dundee in the 'First' and made it two big teams that everyone wanted to beat that season.
      These two could still draw the crowds with players such as Billy Pirie, Eric Sinclair and latterly that season, Bobby Glennie, and in the Hearts team, the exciting Rab Prentice and a sprightly Eammon Bannon (with hair! – apparently, the only difference between Eammon and the Edinburgh Festival is that the Festival has a fringe!).
      Bobby Glennie joined Dundee that season around February and became a regular fixture towards the end of the promotion challenge. Bobby remembers that season well, particularly as it reached its climax with the great prize - a return to the Premier League - the only place to be in Scottish football.
      Bobby was a youthful 20 when he arrived at Dens from Aberdeen. As Bobby says, 'After realising that with the likes of Miller, McLeish, Garner and McLelland at Pittodrie, competition for a first team place was going to be difficult! It was good sense for me to play first team football and what better place than the club I supported - and still do! '.
      Bobby soon settled in at centre half and remembers, ‘After I joined up at Dens, Dundee only suffered one defeat towards the end of that season but with a number of drawn games had allowed both Morton and Hearts to sneak fractionally ahead and the last game of the season was a win or bust match against the already promoted Morton at Cappielow while Hearts had to drop at least one point at Gayfield.
      The promotion battle had caught the imagination of the fans that season and Dundee had home crowds of 13,000 and 14,000 in successive games at Christmas and early in the New Year the clash with Hearts at Tynecastle had pulled in a mammoth 19,000 with an estimated 6000 from Dundee which still stands as a First Division record and is unlikely to be beaten unless one of the Old Firm ever get relegated! - Some hope!
      The division boasted quality players such as those mentioned earlier and Morton displayed the talents of a young Mark McGhee and the irrepressible Andy Ritchie!
      Dundee headed for Cappielow on the last day of the season, 29 April 1978 with around 7000 fans in a crowd of 12,500 all hoping the day would go their way!
      Morton had beaten Airdrie at home in the midweek to clinch the title and should have been fairly relaxed on the Saturday. As it was they were very relaxed!
      Bobby Glennie remembers that Morton had the perfect start. 1 They went one up in 21 minutes through Russell but Ian Redford knocked one in to allow us to go in at half-time level.
      We had another blow with around twenty minutes to go when another defence splitting pass from Andy Ritchie let Russell in to score a second! ‘I then scored a rare goal to equalise and in a frantic finish Billy Pirie put us in the lead which we held till the end to win 3-2.’
      'The fans had heard a rumour that Hearts had drawn at Gayfield and were celebrating and demanding we come out for a lap of honour but word had filtered through that they had in fact won with a single goal from Eammon Bannon.
      The lads were sick and very subdued on the way home and the fans were obviously the same way.
      Albert Kidd (can I mention him?) played for Arbroath that day but did Dundee no favours while other stalwarts of the successful Hearts side were Cammy Fraser and Jim Jeffries.
      From a personal point of view it was a disastrous day as I also lost my watch on the Cappielow terracing due to much jumping around and cheering as we all believed Dundee had done it that day - It was not to be and Dundee faced a financially crippling third season in the First Division.
      Dundee finally went up to the Premier League the following season with Hibs and this three year period probably did untold financial damage to the club as well as affecting the morale of the support, with the main beneficiaries perhaps being our neighbours across the road. ·
      Bobby Glennie went on to captain his beloved Dundee and earned the respect of the Dundee support to such an extent that he is still stopped in the streets of Dundee today by people he doesn’t know - but they know him. Bobby doesn't mind this one bit and I think in footballing circles that this is the mark of utmost respect for a player who played for the jersey and earned the admiration of all Dark Blue fans.
      Bobby recalls many excellent players at Dens and is yet another who rates Jocky Scott as one of the best. 'He had everything and was a bit of a hero for me. I also rated Gordon Wallace highly and Eric Sinclair was magnificent. Jimmy Murphy was a player who had incredible skill and if Jimmy had a poor game it did not get to him at all. More recently, I rate Jim Duffy as one of the best in the business.'
      'I faced many quality players but Charlie Nicholas could beat people with ease - a really exciting player and Mark McGhee always gave me a hard time- even he didn't know what he was doing at times!'
      Bobby wouldn't include any Arabs in his choice of quality players although I detected a well disguised admiration for one or two - very diplomatic Bobby!
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      He has two young lads who are keen football fans but one is giving him a dilemma as he favours the 'other lot' although as in the words of Glennie Senior, 'I’ll soon put him right!'
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      Having already won the League Cup that season, Dundee eagerly awaited the draw for the Scottish Cup and were paired with old north-east rivals Aberdeen at Pittodrie, a game immediately moved to the Sunday, 27 January 1974.
      The next round draw had been made after the Saturday ties and the winners had been drawn to meet rangers at Ibrox in the next round! So every incentive was there and the scene was set.
      A huge travelling support headed up to the Granite City that day hoping to douse the Northern Lights and set off on the trail for double cup glory.
      Around 24,000 were in Pittodrie that afternoon as the teams lined up:
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      Dundee: Allan, R.Wilson and Johnston; Ford, Phillip and Gemmell; J. Wilson, Robinson, Duncan, Scott and Lambie.
      My memories are of sitting on a freezing cold day in the main stand witnessing a marvellous away performance surrounded by huge numbers of Dundee fans thoroughly enjoying the discomfort of the dispirited Dons fans.
      Davie Johnston, left back for the Dees that day has special memories as he scored one of his rare goals for the Dark Blues- a 25 yarder at that!
      'Aberdeen had a hoodoo over Dundee and maybe still do, as they always seemed to dispose of us with relative ease for some unknown reason, but this day we were outstanding.
      We had the League Cup on the sideboard at Dens and were now a confident, good footballing side and as an Aberdeen lad I was always fired up for these derbies in particular!' 'I remember little detail of the match but my goal does stick in my mind (what a surprise Davie!). Bobby Ford had a shot blocked and I hit the rebound from around 25 yards and as Bobby Clark went one way, it struck Jim Henry and deflected into the other corner. I believe a paper put it down as an o.g. but take it from me - it was mine!
      The Dundee support were ecstatic and out sang the home fans so that it was almost like a home game for Dundee.
      'Late in the second half, just after missing a sitter, Bobby 'Trigger' Robinson blasted one in the roof of the net to clinch it for us and our trip to Ibrox was confirmed'.
      This finally extinguished any flicker of hope in the Northern Lights and by this time the Dens fans were ready to sing “we're gonna win the cup” and as a fanatical 16-year old I was a leading light in the standites chorus much to my father’s embarrassment - he is a bit more reserved, but I'm sure he believed it as well!
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      We venture back again with Billy Campbell's Ghost, this time his 1992 article on Dundee's 1974 Scottish cup run which ended in a 1-0 defeat to Celtic in the semi-finals.
      With the power cuts came early kick-offs to save on floodlighting and Dundee lifted the League Cup that season by defeating Celtic 1-0 at Hampden in a game that kicked off at 1pm and had such appalling weather that only around 30,000 were in attendance.
      Dundee also played a number of Sunday games then and became known as the 'Sunday Specials' as they won virtually every game they played including a fantastic Scottish Cup run and a couple of League wins - one which was a 2-1 victory at Parkhead.
      Having already won the League Cup that season, Dundee eagerly awaited the draw for the Scottish Cup and were paired with old north-east rivals Aberdeen at Pittodrie, a game immediately moved to the Sunday, 27 January 1974.
      The next round draw had been made after the Saturday ties and the winners had been drawn to meet rangers at Ibrox in the next round! So every incentive was there and the scene was set.
      A huge travelling support headed up to the Granite City that day hoping to douse the Northern Lights and set off on the trail for double cup glory.
      Around 24,000 were in Pittodrie that afternoon as the teams lined up:
      Aberdeen: Clark, Williamson and Hermiston; Smith, Young and Miller; Graham, Robb, Jarvie, Henry and Purdie.
      Dundee: Allan, R.Wilson and Johnston; Ford, Phillip and Gemmell; J. Wilson, Robinson, Duncan, Scott and Lambie.
      My memories are of sitting on a freezing cold day in the main stand witnessing a marvellous away performance surrounded by huge numbers of Dundee fans thoroughly enjoying the discomfort of the dispirited Dons fans.
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      'Aberdeen had a hoodoo over Dundee and maybe still do, as they always seemed to dispose of us with relative ease for some unknown reason, but this day we were outstanding.
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      This finally extinguished any flicker of hope in the Northern Lights and by this time the Dens fans were ready to sing “we're gonna win the cup” and as a fanatical 16-year old I was a leading light in the standites chorus much to my father’s embarrassment - he is a bit more reserved, but I'm sure he believed it as well!
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