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  • Rangers: The View From the Opposition

    • By UWTB1893
    • 08th September 2017, 5:38 pm
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    Tomorrow see's the return of domestic football for Dundee as we head to Glasgow to take on Rangers at Ibrox.

    There has been major changes since the last time we locked horns with the Glasgow club so we caught up with Craig Gamble from Burst Baw Podcast to fill in with what's been happening around the club.

    First off, what's the origins behind you supporting Rangers?

    I've been a Rangers fan for as long as I can remember and got into it through my Dad. My whole family are Rangers fans, so there was only ever going to be one team for me. The first time I remember going to Ibrox was for Ian Durrant's testimonial against Sheffield Wednesday in April 1998 when I was only four years old. The game finished 2-2 and I don't really remember much else apart from having to leave early as my Grandma wasn't feeling well - the full Gamble clan were at this one. Thankfully auld Cathy made a full recovery, and I've been hooked ever since.

    This summer has seen a fair amount of transfer activity at Ibrox. What signings has excited you the most and what departures have you been disappointed to see leave?

    I'd have to say I'm starting to get excited about Alfredo Morelos, he's only 20 years old and already looks like he could be some player for us. Must admit I was unsure about him in his first few games when he was getting caught offside more often than he was touching the ball, but he really seems to be settling in now and he's scoring goals. He puts himself about and knows where the back of the net is, which is exactly the type of player we need.

    A slightly more left-field one would be Ryan Jack. He's not the most exciting player, but he's the kind of player I love. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Thomson. You know you're getting 110% from him every week and he's exactly what was missing - amongst many other things - from our midfield last season. Breaks up the play, gets stuck in to the tackle and on the ball he can set up attacks and link the defence and midfield really well - I think he's a great signing.

    The one I'm most disappointed about leaving is Barrie McKay. I'm sure most Rangers fans would say the same, but unfortunately I don't think we had much choice in the end and the player wanted away. He is definitely a talent and I'm sure he'll continue to do well down south and go on to bigger things. I just hope a lovely big sell-on clause was a part of that Forest deal.

    The club failed at the first hurdle in the Europa League. This was obviously not in the script but how far did you think the team could get to?

    I was optimistic before and thought that if our signings could come in a gel quickly, and if the draw was kind to us, we had a good chance of reaching at least the final qualifying rounds and maybe even the group stages. Me and a few pals had started pricing up four days in Ayia Napa for what would have been the Limassol tie, so I think it's fair to say we thought we'd at least make it to that stage...

    How would you rate the start of your season so far?

    It's been a mixed bag so far to say the least. Obviously starting off with our worst ever result in the Progres game wasn't exactly ideal. Then one point from six in our first two home games wasn't good enough either. But there has been plenty of positives as well. We look like a better, more organised team and ground out a good win away to Motherwell, and then had a comfortable win up at Ross County who we had trouble scoring against never mind beating last season. So aye, it's been a bit of a rollercoaster already. Out of ten I'd give it a five so far.

    Pedro Caixinha reign is firmly underway. I’m not sure if this is something that some fans think but a few of my mates who support Rangers don’t see him as the man to take the Ibrox club forward. Are they the minority and how do you feel so far about Pedro?

    It's hard to say whether they are in the minority. I think the jury is still out on Caixinha amongst a lot of fans, and for good reason to be fair. But until it's absolutely clear that he is not the man to take the club forward then he'll get the full backing of the Rangers support. I'm behind Pedro 100%, and I think he is the right man for the job.

    What do you hope to see him achieve this season with the club?

    I think our minimum targets for the season should be second place and closing the gap on Celtic. We can't help what happens in their games against the other teams so obviously closing the gap means taking points off them in Old Firm games. I'd also like to see us win a cup.

    There will obviously be a lot of new faces in your squad. Can you pick out one player Dundee fans aren’t familiar with that we should be weary of?

    Daniel Candeias is one that you won't be familiar with. Him and Tavernier are forming a nice partnership down the right hand side and I think their link up will cause a lot of defences problems this season.

    I don’t know if you have saw much of the Dundee team so far but, if you could pick one of our players to play for your team, who would it be?

    I've always been impressed by Cammy Kerr anytime I've watched Dundee play this season and last. He's a tidy player and the kind of no nonsense, shirt-tucked-in style full back that I like, and he gets involved going forward as well. I saw that he signed a contract extension at the start of the season and you will be hoping he's at Dundee for even longer. I think he's definitely got a big future ahead of him.

    Finally, what’s your score predictions for Saturday?

    It'll be a difficult game for us and I'm expecting the same kind of organised performance from Dundee that they put in against Aberdeen a few weeks back, when they were unlucky not to get a point. But I'm hoping that the international break hasn't stopped our momentum after the County win and we need to get our first home win on the board - so I'll go for 3-0 Rangers.

    You can follow Craig and Burst Baw on Twitter by clicking on these links:

    https://twitter.com/craig_gamble93
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