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  • Past Encounters: Dundee Defeat Ayr To Reach The League Cup Final

    This Saturdays league cup clash against Ayr United at Dens Park may conjure up past memories of previous encounters for the older generation of Dundee fans but for the younger ones out there, we once took on Ayr in this very competition with a place in the 1980-81 final at stake.

    Back in them days, the semi-final was contested over two legs and the first happened at Somerset Park on November the 5th between the Division One sides.

    6,801 supporters witnessed Dundee take the lead through Eric Sinclair and it would require a late equaliser from Bobby Connor to give Ayr a draw against a Dundee side that had been struck down with a flu virus.

    Dundee manager Donald Mackay described the dressing room at half-time, “like a casualty clearing station.”

    MacKay also said after the match: “We wanted a good result in the 1st leg of the Bell’s League Cup semi-final at Ayr and came out in a keenly contested tie with a 1-1 draw.

    “There were questions marks about the goal we lost near the end, but it was the first we had conceded on seven games in the competition.

    “Jim Murphy, George McGeachie, Peter Mackie and Bobby Glennie were affected by a flu type virus and George and Peter had to come off.

    “Now we have it all to do at Dens Park. One pleasing feature was that we stretched our unbeaten run to a dozen games.”

    The 2nd leg took place on November 19th, on a cold, rainy night in front of 9,439 supporters at Dens Park. The South Enclosure was shut due to work taking place which diluted the atmosphere that the stand normally produced.

    Ferguson  Schaedler 19 Nov 80.jpgDundee took the lead through Billy Williamson but Ayr equalised thanks to Gerry Christie. The Dark Blues were then dealt a massive blow when Stewart MacLaren and Eric Schaedler suffered a clash of heads and were stretchered off to be replaced by Peter Mackie and Les Barr. Ayr then took the lead in the second half through Billy McColl. This would not stop the Dee who laid siege on the Ayr goal with Cammy Fraser eventually levelling the score. In dramatic fashion near the end, Eric Sinclair would not only score the goal to win the match, but to send Dundee into their first final since 1973.

    “That was a real thriller but we got a tremendous backing from the crowd and after beating Aberdeen in the previous round, we feared nobody,” said a delighted Cammy Fraser.

    Fraser wasn’t the only one to praise the crowd after reaching the final.

    “I give full credit to the players, but we must not forget our supporters who were wonderful on that great occasion,” said Donald Mackay.

    “The support was wholehearted. They lifted the team when we needed it most and the boys responded magnificently.

    “It was a fine example of just what sincere support can mean for a team.”

    In the other semi-final that night, Dundee United bet Celtic 3-0 at Parkhead for a 4-1 aggregate victory to set up the first and only all Dundee Derby cup final.

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    • By TheDarkBlues
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      Bobby still has a great passion for the game and Dundee in particular and it is refreshing to talk to someone who enthuses in football and especially memories of great times that I for once can remember!
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      I believe that no Scottish player has equalled this feat away from home but I' m sure someone will let me know!
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      Dundee thus had a chance to avenge the fates of both Hibs and Rangers who Leeds had knocked out in earlier rounds that year. Could Dundee go one step further and be the first Scottish club to reach the Fairs Cup Final.
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      Dundee's gates had increased as they progressed in the tourney and for the Leeds game a healthy crowd of around 25,000 were in Dens Park with high hopes but respecting the reputation of a Leeds side that had earned the description of being 'unbeatable'.
      I was a young eleven-year-old in the stand enclosure with my father who had witnessed the great nights of 1962-63 and was no doubt wishing for more! I was just in awe of seeing players in the flesh who to me graced the pages of 'Football Monthly' and 'Goal' magazines –remember them? Bremner, Charlton, Jones, Giles, Sprake, one could go on – all Internationalists and superb at their craft.
      Dundee really had their hands full in this tie but still, hope reigns supreme with all football fans as far as their own team is concerned. I'll let Dundee's right back and Mr. Consistency, Bobby Wilson take up the story. Bobby is now manager at Ross County in Dingwall and remembers that season with great pride.
      Bobby recalled, 'Before half-time however we had drawn level and I had the distinction of grabbing the goal with a powerful header - it was a fantastic feeling and we had the whole of the second half to have a go at gaining a first leg lead. It was not to be and we faced the trip to Yorkshire having to beat Leeds on their own patch' - a fairly daunting task in these days - and nowadays as Rangers will find out soon!
      Dundee took around 4000 fans to Elland Road for the second leg on 15 May 1968 and faced a Leeds line up of: Sprake, Reaney and Cooper; Bremner, Madeley and Hunter; Greenhoff, Lorimer, Jones, Giles and Gray.
      Dundee had a late injury blow when poor Bobby Wilson himself had severe toothache and had to admit defeat to the pain and was replaced by Ronnie Selway, and had to watch from the stand.
      Over 28,000 watched Dundee line up: Donaldson, Selway and Houston; Murray, Easton and Stewart; Campbell, J. McLean, S.Wilson, G. McLean, and Scott.
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      One of Bobby's sons is now a pro and the other is a Dundee fan so perhaps we will see two young Wilson's at the club again to remind us of one of the best players to wear the coveted Dark Blue!
      Bobby. . . . . . Thanks for the Memory.

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    • By UWTB1893
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    • By UWTB1893
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      "The thing is we’ve played really well in the league and not taken chances, and the puzzling thing is we’ve prepared well and had a game plan.
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      "I’m very angry about Moussa’s red, we had a word with him when it kept happening, and we can’t afford for things like that to happen.
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      "That is not acceptable and I have to apologise to the supporters."
    • By UWTB1893
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      DUNDEE qualified for the last 16 by finishing up as the second-best runner up along with Queen of the South, St Mirren and Partick Thistle while Ayr won their group just like Ross County, St Johnstone, Dunfermline, Livingston, Motherwell and Kilmarnock. All these teams were joined by Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen and The Rangers who all received a bye due to partaking in European action.

      Our season hasn’t gotten off to the start that we would have hoped it had but the signs are there that if a striker (one or two, I’m not fussy) and a new left back can be brought in, we will be looking quite decent this season.

      Defeats to St Mirren and Aberdeen has left us will nil points when it could have easily have been, at a minimum, four points. Other fans may say otherwise but that’s what I’ve seen through my dark blue tinted glassed.

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      Head To Head
      P110 W59 D24 L27 F234 A147

      Home
      P57 W38 D11 L8 F146 A64

      Away
      P52 W20 D13 L19 F85 A80
      League Cup
      Head To Head
      P11 W7 D2 L2 F23 A16

      Home
      P6 W4 D0 L2 F16 A12

      Away
      P5 W3 D2 L0 F7 A4

      Records vs Ayr United


      Most Goals Scored In One Match
      Davie Balfour: 4 goals, 5-2, Dens Park, March 18th 1931

      Most Goals Scored In The League Cup
      Eric Sinclair: 3

      Most Goals Scored In All Competitions
      Alan Cousin: 8 goals (7 League, 1 League Cup)

      Record Attendance at Dens Park
      20,000, 1-0, September 17th 1921 and January 26th 1952, Scottish Cup Round 1

      Biggest Win
      7-1, Dens Park, November 29th 1919

      Ticket Information - From The Official Dundee Website Tickets for the match against Ayr United at the Kilmac Stadium at Dens Park are now available and the prices are follows:
      Adults: £18
      Over 65s and Full Time Students: £12
      Under 18s: £6
      Tickets are available from the ticket office, in person or by phone on 01382 889966 (Option 1) or online at www.dundeefc.co.uk
    • By UWTB1893
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      DUNDEE qualified for the last 16 by finishing up as the second-best runner up along with Queen of the South, St Mirren and Partick Thistle while Ayr won their group just like Ross County, St Johnstone, Dunfermline, Livingston, Motherwell and Kilmarnock. All these teams were joined by Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen and The Rangers who all received a bye due to partaking in European action.

      Our season hasn’t gotten off to the start that we would have hoped it had but the signs are there that if a striker (one or two, I’m not fussy) and a new left back can be brought in, we will be looking quite decent this season.

      Defeats to St Mirren and Aberdeen has left us will nil points when it could have easily have been, at a minimum, four points. Other fans may say otherwise but that’s what I’ve seen through my dark blue tinted glassed.

      The Dee need the win after the last two weeks and with players such as Karl Madianga, Elton N’Gwatala and Jesse Curran finding their feet In the first team and exciting the fans, there is an expectation within some of us that we can go out there, put on a good display and find that killer touch in front of goal that has eluded us.

      Midfielder Lewis Spence is fit after being taken off at half time against Aberdeen while Glen Kamara is back in training and may make an appearance.

      AYR UNITED got their league cup campaign off to flyer with four wins out of four, scoring twelve and only conceding one. Lawrence Shankland showed the type of form that helped Ayr to the League One title last term that also attracted the interest from Dundee by netting seven of them including two hat-tricks.

      The Ayrshire team have also started off their Championship campaign brightly. They defeated recently relegated Partick Thistle on the opening day by two goals to nil and followed that up with a goalless draw up in Inverness against Caley Thistle. There are worse ways to start the season and Ayr have certainly hit the ground running.

      Lawrence Shankland is the obviously the main man to watch out for with nine goals to his name already this term but Dundee should be wary of his striking partner Michael Moffatt who scored thirteen goals in the previous season, contributing also with seventeen assists.

      Head To Head
      P110 W59 D24 L27 F234 A147

      Home
      P57 W38 D11 L8 F146 A64

      Away
      P52 W20 D13 L19 F85 A80
      League Cup
      Head To Head
      P11 W7 D2 L2 F23 A16

      Home
      P6 W4 D0 L2 F16 A12

      Away
      P5 W3 D2 L0 F7 A4

      Records vs Ayr United


      Most Goals Scored In One Match
      Davie Balfour: 4 goals, 5-2, Dens Park, March 18th 1931

      Most Goals Scored In The League Cup
      Eric Sinclair: 3

      Most Goals Scored In All Competitions
      Alan Cousin: 8 goals (7 League, 1 League Cup)

      Record Attendance at Dens Park
      20,000, 1-0, September 17th 1921 and January 26th 1952, Scottish Cup Round 1

      Biggest Win
      7-1, Dens Park, November 29th 1919

      Ticket Information - From The Official Dundee Website Tickets for the match against Ayr United at the Kilmac Stadium at Dens Park are now available and the prices are follows:
      Adults: £18
      Over 65s and Full Time Students: £12
      Under 18s: £6
      Tickets are available from the ticket office, in person or by phone on 01382 889966 (Option 1) or online at www.dundeefc.co.uk

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