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  1. Well, I suppose if he's been sh**e all season he just becomes another one of McCann's crap signings. More of a surprise then that Steven Gerrard thinks he is good enough to play for his team. I think he is one of our best players and could still be very important for us this season.
  2. Re Kamara, I don't think it is inevitable that he will be useless to us if he plays. Consider the following 1. He wants to stay in the Finland national team. Not playing probably means no selection . 2. He wants to impress Steven Gerrard. Not someone who would appreciate an uncommitted professional 3. He loves playing football and winning. 4. He is a professional footballer - professionals don't down tools like (working) children in the playground 5. His teammates would not let him get away with half hearted performances - and he is human, I hope. 6. If he refuses to play or deliberately plays without effort, he runs the risk of being fined by the club or having his wages docked 7. I bet his mum and dad would be so disappointed in him if he stopped trying for the club paying his wages. I reckon I would be probably be unable to withstand any one of these. Two would be more than enough. I am curious to know what makes so many think he is such a monster that none of these circumstances could possibly stop him playing to the best of his ability.
  3. I can't see where the money (or sense ) is for bringing in 4, 5 or even 6 more players. We make a loss each year. We have had to (or will have to) pay off a number of players to prematurely end their contracts. Our attendances seem down on previous seasons (maybe someone can confirm). It looks like we could end up getting no transfer fee income this window (Rangers have neither the money or inclination to financially boost other Scottish Clubs). Assuming the signings made so far go into the first team, another five would mean a first team change of over 70% in the space of three weeks. I don't know much about football strategy or tactics, but that doesn't sound like a sensible approach to us picking up 20 odd points in the next three months or so. The signings made so far seem sensible if not overly exciting. It seems to me that it is motivation that will get us to safety this season, not better players (at least not any more than we already have). It looks like he has decided he needs a spine he can rely on. He has brought in exactly that. Let's let him do what he is renowned for. Motivating teams to get better results than their 'quality' might suggest they should. I am slowly coming to respect McIntyre's decisions this month. I hope he doesn't spoil it by signing four or more additional players that will either quickly become dead-weight, or so disrupt the team that we can't get our act together before it's too late.
  4. andrak

    DFCSS Email - Purchase of Shares

    At the risk of opening up old wounds on the amalgamation front, this development raises some other interesting questions about our owners' motivations, our future prospects, and who has rights over key decisions. I agree with many on here who are asking for Mr Nelms to make a statement on where they are going with this, or at least what they are not ruling out at this stage. The press have already created a story about amalgamation (hopefully the result of an arithmetic error of the 2+2 variety), so it won't be long before he is forced to say something anyway. I would like to see him speak before the pressure builds. It might also be that some hard truths need to be aired about our clubs prospects. Future finance is clearly an issue. If the fans want a greater say in future decisions, then maybe we have to dip into our pockets again. The fees paid at the gate and in season books is not covering the costs of putting a team out every week. It almost doesn't matter whose fault that is unless you believe that it was done deliberately, in which case, you might want to up the meds. I wonder how far the owners will accept fan power. They clearly bowed to pressure over Billy Dodd's return. I expect they will have read or at least been made aware of sentiments on forums like this. That said, and as a few others have pointed out, it is probable that they will make big decisions based primarily on business factors. Ground sharing (at Nou Campy or Tannadice), amalgamation (or acquisition), or even selling up, are surely decisions that would be made based mostly on finance. I can't see any way out of that unless someone, or everyone, else is prepared to invest significantly in the club. For the record, I would have no hesitation whatsoever in following an amalgamated club preferably at Nou Campy or even Dens. I would struggle to watch Dundee (or an amalgamated team) play at Tannadice, but would probably get used to it eventually.
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    So, I'm glad we have a little bit of a debate going on. Worried that some think that even discussing it is dangerous. Not sure where that kind of intolerance or lack of confidence comes from but it is no fun on a discussion forum. For the record. My preferred option (of those that might be considered reasonable) for the next 30 years is for us to broadly repeat the last 30 years without the administrations. I'd be happy with that and anything better would be fantastic. I'd like United to stay below us in league rankings for as long as possible but with the vast majority of seasons in the same league as us so that the city can enjoy the derbies. I don't want the two city clubs to amalgamate. I want pretty much what most of us want on here. Everything I have said on this issue is predicated on my belief that our survival over the next generation or two is questionable. I have written before about where Scottish Football is headed and what we might do to change that trajectory, see my ten point plan in this piece below from last year. But, if truth be told, I am not terribly optimistic that enough or any of these changes will be made in time to save clubs like Dundee from fading into part-time obscurity or completely folding. My argument is that amalgamation might be the only option to guarantee that at least some of DFC could continue for generations to come and the city could continue to have a strong footballing identity. If people are going to disagree with me, that's great, but I feel that some of the counter arguments didn't fully take into consideration the context that I have explained above. @Prince Buster We should definitely not put it to bed. @Barkblue The idea that a grown up discussion of a topic could legitimises an idea that ought never to be debated is a strange concept. I look forward to seeing your list of legitimate topics that merit grown up, or infantile, for that matter, discussion. Just don't expect me to post on any of them. @Gblue If you ever need a transfusion, ask me first..... @HK Blues I think we are more or less on the same or at least a similar page, just a question of relative optimism about the long-term future prospects. @CW 90+3 02/05/16 (Absolutely love your handle btw) As I have tried to explain again in this post, it isn't, for me, a choice between having Dundee FC or having an amalgamated entity. It is a choice between having no DFC at all and at least having some of it living on in another form. Of course, we get the same result without the pain and loss of amalgamation if United fold up. How brilliant that would be. Re the arguments. What they lack is context. I get the raw emotion, and the generations of support, but give me context, otherwise I'm left to assume that people are either opposed to amalgamation under any circumstances at any time, or that they just aren't considering a long enough time-scale. Condescension is a weakness of mine. No one I know likes me for it. Thank God for a bit of wit and decent grammar, though, eh? (That was a joke) But, to be fair, I did say that I was trying to stimulate a deeper debate and I thought the quickest way to do that was to have a wee poke at the hornet's nest. I was also in an airport lounge about to go to boarding and didn't have enough time for my usual 'Don't be an a**e' review'. Apologies for causing offence. @Cobra I hope this post clarifies that I'm not advocating amalgamation per-se or because I think it will mean we would become more successful. I'm advocating it as a solution or an alternative to our potential extinction. I also happen to believe we would in fact be more successful which in turn would make that entity more sustainable. Should Edinburgh do it, who knows. I certainly couldn't care less except that it would probably create a third super-force in Scottish football and maybe even deepen and widen the gap down to our level. I only came in on this thread because someone said that there wasn't really much real debate going on. I agreed and was irritated at the level of discussion. I still am a little. Once again, and finally, I don't doubt for a second that we would all be heartbroken if DFC no longer existed. I never wanted to propose breaking anyone's heart; rather I'm proposing a means of at least preserving a good chunk of it should someone else (ie the current and future economic and footballing climate in Scotland) try to break it.
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    Still don't understand most of the comments here. The arguments against, such as they are, seem to be created out of thin air and based either on opinions or depend a on begging prescribed (and apparently self-evident) answers to too many questions. Let me try and engage the 'toys out the pram' mob - all in the interest of making the thread more thoughtful and maybe even a bit more entertaining, you jnderstand. The new club would bring together the histories of both clubs. Why not? Rangers proved that what matters is what you choose to believe, not what others claim or even what the actual legal circumstances might indicate. The new board are unlikely to insist that the new entity is distinct from and emotionally unattached to either of the amalgamated clubs. That would be commercial suicide. Would that many people really give up on football if they chose to believe that their team no longer existed. Why choose to believe that?, and what exactly is it about Dundee Football Club that attracted you and kept you following it for years? Is the actual football part of that so small that you would even contemplate throwing it away completely? Would that many people actually choose to switch allegiance to another team. Isn't that the very thing they are refusing to do for the amalgamated team? What's the difference? How many of us can honestly feel that the future of our club is secure? If you worry about that security, what might be done about it? Here's my wee checklist of what we have tried in the past to try and ensure sustainability, along with my brief thoughts on it Good football/competition success - too inconsistent and may be dangerous in current climate (eg what Neil McCann tried to do) Ancillary services income streams - Dog track, say no more Wealthy owner promising large financial injections - been there, bought the Tshirt.... and had to sell it again to pay off the creditors Trying to live within our means, sensible spending, external investors underwriting losses - Arguably where we are now. Too many consecutive years of losses usually doesn't end well, though. Extreme borrowing funding fantasy players and performances on the pitch - No guarantee of success (but thank you so much for the memories, obviously not the ones where loads of people lost their jobs and small business creditors didn't get paid - that bit was shameful, and why, ultimately the Caniggia, Caballero, Nemsadzi, Ketsbaia et all era was a mistake. Hopefully others can add any more I may have missed. I'd especially love to see some suggestions that have proved successful in the past, and could work in the future. What I would like to see, as I have said a few times before, is a city supported club that is truly part of the community that is Dundee. A club that benefits from and contributes to sport in the city. I don't think that is impossible. But I do To put it another way, I believe the fact that there are two senior city clubs is an obstacle to even thinking about building that city sport concept with football at it's heart. I think that the price the city would extract would be one single city club. It is hard to see how it could be made to work otherwise. By the way, I'm just getting started on this topic and would really like to read some reactions that go beyond the initial gut-wrenching and heart-breaking idea that our wonderful club might not last in its current form forever.
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    For one thing, there is an established football tradition in the city. Secondly, I am not suggesting merely a single football team (that could not, by the way, be considered, by any definition other than a self-defeating one, new), I'm suggesting a full-on city-wide publicly-financed sporting institution that incorporated a single football club alongside many other sports teams. It would be a new model, for the UK, at least, and comparisons with Inverness, Livingstone MK Dons, Aidrieonians etc etc are at best only very slightly relevant. Here's a challenge, and why I wrote my post in the first place - and now comes the bit where I insult everyone - I'm sick of all the comments about hating them across the street and never setting foot in the new stadium or giving up football completely that every version of this topic seems to generate. Now, I'm not sick of them because I necessarily disagree or because I don't think that everyone has the perfect right to make their feelings known. I'm sick of it because there is just too little thought given to what we might do to ensure the survival and prosperity of our club. I don't mean, wish for. I mean what actually might get done that stands a chance of creating a more successful, sustainable, and confident club in the city. If too many fans put down conditions under which their support will be continued, we are bound to stay as we are. If those conditions are largely driven by very personal emotions, I would suggest that, honest and true though they are, they ought not to stand in the way of proposals that might ensure that senior professional football prospers in Dundee.
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    The very best time, surely. And I think you're being a little overly pessimistic about how bad things are Cobra.
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    First Goal Last Night

    I'm glad no one is seriously suggesting that we only won because Hamilton were terrible. It might well be true, but we have failed to win, and often lost, so many games when the opposition were as bad or even worse than Hamilton were last night. Well done Dundee, watch out Kilmarnock, here we come...
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    I'm honestly amazed at the attitude of many of you about our city's two clubs merging/one taking over the other/amalgamating. I'm a hundred and forty seven years old and can well remember the outraged posts on here from East End and Our Boys fans, many of whom swore never to set foot in Carolina Port or West Cragie ever again if such an amalgamation went through. "16 years of history can't just be written away by some greedy B****** who wants to make money playing the bigot twins in Edinburgh and Glasgow every week", said one. "Football in this city will die if they let it happen" said another. "It'll never happen, we hate them DOBBs" cried a third Other comments overheard in pubs included. "Ehm fae Lochee, thurs nay futba in Dundee, c'mon the hoops", "McCann Oot!", and "Huv they soarted oot them lavs in the sooth stand yet?" My point is. It happened before. History suggests it was the right thing to do, although my mate Erchie still refuses to get within three miles of Carolina Port in protest. (Poor man, lives on the Perth Rd, but still goes to the Ferry via Fintry). I don't understand the arguments about other clubs and other cities. I'm sure it would be handled in a unique way and the circumstances, while broadly similar to Inverness, would be sufficiently unique to potentially change the outcome. I think the main driving force for the merger will be the city. It makes no sense at all to me for each club to have and maintain two 12 to 15,000 seat stadiums. A single stadium to replace the two old ones is just easier. I believe the future of football in Scotland will be to follow something like the Swedish model where clubs are genuinely part of and supported by the communities they play in. That could never be said about Dundee so far. I think what would seal the deal would be a proposal by the city council of a long-term support package for a single team as part of the next stage of the city's regeneration and under a general 'Sport Dundee' concept where all sports are 'looked after' in a similar fashion. Sharing facilities, hosting major events, combined insurance, physiotherapy, psychology, medical, even financing. Really, the possibilities are almost endless. You may disagree, but DFC is nothing without the city. If the team, moved to Perth or Stirling, would you follow? Even if every other thing went with them (strip, players, history, Archibald Leitch stand and all). The city is at least as important as the team. If there was a proposal on the table that made the best of the economic and footballing arguments but in the context of a Sport Dundee master plan, I think here would be overwhelming support from the Dundee public that would see gates rise from current levels within a few years even if many of you would refuse to go. NO? ...... My mate Erchie said 'over his dead body'. Mind you he's getting on a bit and is a bit doolally from spending so much time on the Fintry bus, so not long to wait there.
  11. To get back on to the subject of Nathan Ralph, a thought has been running around my head since Saturday at around 3.44pm. In a similar way to how things turned for us and Utd when James McPake took a risk to charge in after the ball in the last minutes of the 2:2 derby, I think we might just be able to reflect on Ralph's decision to go for it himself instead of making the obvious (and frequently made during the game) pass to Miller on his left. That little piece of courage and confidence definitely turned the game on Saturday and set up result that looked very unlikely just a few seconds before. I don't really understand how that works psychologically with groups of players in a competitive environment, but there are plenty of examples around to suggest that it might be an actual thing. Maybe I'm just clinging to faint hope, but it surely isn't impossible. With the exception of the big five and possibly Killie, there isn't much to be afraid of in this league. Surely we could more than hold our own over the next 20 odd games.
  12. andrak

    Hibs Game Live On DeeTV

    I would never do such a thing. At least not when I don't have to. Connection is pretty crappy, but that might be a blessing.
  13. andrak

    Hibs Game Live On DeeTV

    I wish, just the Luanda loyal. One reason I'm glad it's on DEETV is that it will keep me off the streets. Much safer.

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