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  1. The Topic Heading may give the impression, the The Dark Blue Forum has been awarded some "Very Public Award of Merit" for it's continued service to Dundee Fans. Maybe it should. And in fact, maybe it has. But this is no any special award of that nature ... I guess it is no more than a thankful acknowledgement and appreciation, of the time, work (And money) specifically John & Scott, but also everyone else who has contributed in any way (& still continue to do so) to keep Our DFC Forum (And of course Our Club) the only one worth being involved in. SO WHAT BROUGHT THIS ON ... AND WHY NOW? During this pretty awful times of the past few months, I have struggled to maintain an interest in anything connected to football. On a general level, but also matters relating to the Club I love ... DFC. I suppose in some ways I have gained the benefit of becoming interested again in totally new & aulder forgotten pastimes, which has not only help me "just chug along" but has raised again my general enthusiasm & zest ... Well for life I suppose ... I am limited in what I can do some days. But that said I seem to be busier than ever... Out gardening this morning at 6.00 AM ... "Jings whit's happening to me" Okay DFC friends, sorry about the diversion & rambling, so back to the Topic ... No surprisingly we're struggling at times with the current problems of the past few months. The health matters of course. But also on a much lesser scale "Football" No real DFC fitba news or/& weekly fitba games to talk or write aboot. Yet I go on the forum at least once a day & although I have cut back on my own contributions, every day I see the posts still coming in and be well responded to. Seriously, Well Done DFC Forum Lads and Lasses for your consistency of posting during the times. Many days I am struggling to post anything that might add interest to the forum, yet every day (not gonna embarrass anyone by mentioning the many names, or one very special poster) Yet, not only do these posts still keep regularly coming, the quality & range is really something special. Whether, serious. informative, funny, mad. The post keeps coming in, on a regular basis, I can see there is some real effort being made especially by some, to regularly introduce New Topics and take time with some very interesting engaging responses. As already said my own posts recently has been a bit spasmodic. But as the Mannie says "I'll be back" Meanwhile. Thanks. I'd suggest, if you feel a wee spark & you feel like adding a post (New Topic or a Response) Dinnae think twice. Just do it. Mind it takes time/work to hit my standards
  2. Just noticed that on Official ... Any Thoughts?
  3. So DFC Supporters & Fans, how has it been for you? For some, it seems, they might be into deep depression (heading onto madness) with the realisation just how much all things DFC & Fitba, were an integral part of their life ... Maybe even their whole life. Whilst others (include me here) have come to a realisation, that not only do I NOT miss it all so much, the absence of live action & the ongoing current news around regular games, this endless break, has opened the door for many other opportune, & more satisfying activities. When live fitba action is back maybe all this will change again & life will be back to "normal" But the nonsense spouted by the media experts & those supposedly running the game has left me flat, angry, and basically, comprehensively, scunnered with the whole business ... I understand others may NOT feel the same. And although the quieter forum here still shows up some sound posts/posters, there is now an element of posts/comments, in my view, that shows, that this frustration felt, for whatever reason, is being reflected on here by some posters, which (imo) is making the forum, not a very happy place to be just now (it may be just my opinion) Most of the current posting of political issues for "discussion" (if we want to call them that) are well outwith current football matters. They have left me frustrated and have done nothing to raise my spirits, or engage me in anyway at all ... There seems to be in some posts (imo again) a total lack of respect .... Which ill becomes us lads & lasses of the Dark Blue Ilk. Maybe, as I've suggested above, once the real football action starts again "everything will be back to normal" and it will all be behind us ... But I am not sure this will be the case. (Not sure what Tim Keyes is reading into this present debacle) Thanks all the same, for" "hingin-in" & continuing to give us your financial backing. It surely can only get better
  4. I took this Heading from the Official ... A bit vague, but there are more details to follow ... https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/deetv-to-be-made-free-for-season-ticket-holders/
  5. To be honest, I'm not sure there is anything in the above headline, that will affect us in any way. But as I came across it by chance "Daily Business" I assume it must be public, so thought I'd share. https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2020/04/dundee-saviour-maclean-backs-startup-dlr-media/ Any way wish him & his associates well in his new enterprise
  6. As In said above, that's maybe only a personal perspective of the present situation ... I certainly don't feel the waves of warmth from other Scottish Clubs coming over the horizon. If we were a Big Club, in the Top Six of the Premiership, or had a real focus, ambition, determination, with the guarantee of financial backing, then maybe eh widnae care, whit others thought aboot us. But we are definitely not nearly in that position ... We are where we are: With hopefully reasonably ambitious plans, but nevertheless a Championship Club, that may well be in the near future, fighting to avoid relegation, as well as fighting for survival, ad fans/supporters turn away & attendances drastically drop even further. The point I am trying to make is, as it stands just now (& I accept, there is maybe much better to come) I feel we are in a mess, which might be of John Nelm's making. It is only a few days ago, when most of us felt we had a leader. A decent, honest man in charge who showed he was willing to stand up to his principles. Is this still so?
  7. From The Online Courier ... He said: I love the club and I loved being there. The fans took to me straight away and we didn’t look back. “One of my proudest moments in recent years was coming on as a sub for Thistle at Dens Park and getting a full round of applause.“I had Dundee fans messaging me afterwards saying, ‘I haven’t seen that happen to an opposition player before’. That was really special.”
  8. "All of Dundee United's players and most of the coaching staff are among "a large number" of employees to have been placed on furlough leave. The government's Job Retention Scheme will pay 80% of their salaries up to a monthly sum of £2,500, but United will cover any shortfall in wages." If not, should they? It seems to make financial sense ... Any views?
  9. Check BBC Link ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52113667 I've added this to "Dundee Chat" as it will possibly have some direct relevance to DFC & United (As well as all Scottish Clubs) should Scottish Football Body follow suit. I only just picked up this news from a thread on Dundee Mad (Harry) early, this morning
  10. "Dundee boss James McPake has urged his players to up the tempo today as they look to get back to winning ways" (Tele Quote.) Although I don't get to live games today, I do watch all there is to see, in the way of some broadcast live games, recorded games (full games & highlights) And of course I listen & read all there is to read about DFC, be it on TV, Radio, Newspapers, Forums, Websites. Based on that (and trying hard to be kind) although there are more than a few embarrassing games, when instructions & tactics appear to be non-existent, generally (& I might be stretching this) the players look to be committed, giving their all for the 90 minutes. As I said I might be "stretching this" for their are also quite a few games (many maybe) that whatever the questionable tactics may be, many of the players, simply appear ... not really too interested. If that is the case, ... What has today's manager got to do & say, to get them out there, act like professionals, show the Paying DFC Fans, they mean business, by showing some hard effort grit & determination for the whole of the 90 minutes !! I don't know what physical time & effort is put into players' training these days ... But the same applies there. (At the very least we need players 100% fit and ready & eager to go on Match Day ... To give their all for DFC Club & Fans. The days of the ruthless tough-talking manager has moved on... But are the conditions now, just too much in the players favour? Is it really all, only about money now? Today come out. And show us DFC
  11. So it says ... According to today's Dundee Courier Article/Headline above. Think it is time JMP realised...Us "experts" on the forum have the final say Need a poll please Cobra. Time JMP remembered we make the decisions
  12. The reason I put this up as a topic is because, although it is (again) further promises of (maybe) better things to come from DFC players, it does come from a player, who I believe has the will & ability to deliver. But the other reason for adding it, is to ask the questions ... Do all Dundee have the "hunger to succeed" Are they fit enough? Are all Dundee players giving their all (in training & in game time)? Alex O'Neil emphasises his commitment to bringing on players from the lower divisions. The reason he makes this a priority is because he is looking for players with the "hunger" ... He states this as a key factor to his club, his own, & the players' success. I think in some games, going with some of the comments on here, players' fitness, drive, determination & commitment, may be absent. I am not sure what is involved in DFC's Training Fitness Schedules ... How much time is spent? How demanding it is? How they determine a player's fitness & commitment. But it does seem (based on full game tv perspective) that in quite a few games, the opposition, are much more focused & fitter as the game reaches the 90 minute make (imo) whilst the DFC players are struggling to keep up. In Johnson's article it is suggested (as I read it) the 2 Week International Break will give the players a chance to "reflect & rest" (my words) And be ready for the ICT game ... During this (no games) period, does anyone know if the Training Regime/Schedule is relaxed? Or do DFC use this period to intensify their physical fitness training & mental winning attitude etc? I am the forgiving kind (I think) ... I'll generally accept DFC players' poor performances. As long as I know they have give 100%
  13. I'm not at all sure you can't play effective "pretty fitba" & keep winning games. But although I am not sure just how other teams go about it, we all know there are other teams, that are not so concerned about the quality of fare on offer (described at times by some as 90 mins of negative boring stuff) but there only focus is a determination to leave the field with the 3 points in the bag ... Regardless of the quality !! They are not necessarily "dirty" as such, but it is apparent from the off, they don't mind putting up the shutters, mixing it up a bit, & if needs be, taking no prisoners (When you look at DFC's foul count after some defeats, it seems to me, that we are not assertive enough & allow the street-wise opposition to take charge & run the show. It might be said by some, DFC in a few games this season, have managed to play "ugly" at times & never been in the game. But simple question: Should DFC continue to at least put the emphasis on improving standards of football...Or get tougher? Don't get to games now. But was always aware when attending regular. Even boring games were sweet, if we won the points
  14. It is said Football is a Simple Game & in the main I go along with this. But that said I think it takes a great deal of time to learn & develop the skills required ... even if you are blesed/born with a natural talent. My own standard of football was at a lowly level (Class Team & few times for the School Team) I was never great, but I loved the game. Loved it so much, that even when there was no team to play with, eh wid go the "the backies" in the Auld Tenement & practice & practice. The result of this was... Although I was never brilliant, this constant practice & repetition, coupled wi a guid left foot & speed, meant I was no only comfortable I had the confidence to know I had some things going for me & could probably do some things that others could not. As I said I was NOT a natural Football Player ... So it was never easy. However it would have been impossible if someone had come along & said to me ... "Forget awe that stuff you've learned & developed yourself, today your are now in defence & playing right back & I want you to play interactive passing football. Try not to cross the halfway line. I accept it might feel strange at first, but like the rest of the team, who today are all also playing in totally new positions, you are sure soon to get the hang of it"...(Think it was NM who started this)...DFC Keep it Simple. (JMP LET ALL THE INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS PLAY IN THEIR PROPER POSITIONS, IN A TEAM THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REQUIRED OF THEM)
  15. Reading the situation on another thread about United's Financial Seasonal Loss, the point that stood out for me (Raised by Cobra & referred to, by Andrak) was how would any of our clubs survive without the Americans? It appears that neither the Championship or Premiership can provide the sole income to allow a Club to run competitively or financially these days. It seems the higher costs (wages etc) & what appears a falling interest on what's on offer, would seem to me the future does not look too bright for any, who are reliant totally on attendances, or some very charitable benefactor, who is will ing to subsidise a Club on a very regular basis. So back to the original question ... What happens if the Americans walk away? Do we just then shelf our ambitions & "jog along" ... find another investor ... discuss fan ownership ... maybe go part-time ... or is there some other solution? (I am focusing on DFC here, because I've little interest in the "ither lot) But I will say, as highlighted by Cobra's post ... Even a promotion to Premiership, although offering a bigger financial prize, is no guarantee, all will be well on the financial front. Firstly, you have got to be up there in amongst it, & to do that means better players (bigger outgoings in the way of signings/wages)...And as already said, there's no guarantee of success Is United's American Investor going to continue to invest, if he finds the Premiership, is creating bigger losses, as United find themselves fighting to survive? The same can be said for DFC. But the main difference is ... Our Investors seem to have a greater awareness, that for a Club to survive these days, there has to be another, real, regular source of income, outwith football ... Hence the Campie Project. It appears to me, regarding the possibility of real success of DFC's future, much is going to hinge on this .... Whether we get planning permision, if it is ever built, if it is to be the success hoped for, and exactly just what increased financial benefits will come directly to Our Club, if/when the Campie Complex is up & running? (Any kind of response that might encourage a discussion appreciated) .... Meanwhile, starting with the game tonight ...C'mon the Dee
  16. Strangely, when DFC got relegated last season, I felt relaxed & accepting of the situation we found ourselves in ... In fact the period before in the Premiership was in the main kinda getting me down. At the start of each season, knowing probably that whoever was gonna be contesting the Top Six, recent past experience (under various managers) was telling me ... Not to be looking for DFC's name up there in the fight for a top six place. And as the season progressed quite a bit of negativity took hold of me as it seemed to be again another season where my thoughts were focused on a game at a time, on who in the bottom half of the table we might beat or draw with to pick up the odd point to keep out the "danger area" As I indicated at the start, when relegation was certain, I approached it with (in part anyway) a sense of relief. Much of the thinking behind this I suppose, was knowing (or assuming) that in this lower division, DFC were at least in a position where I felt they could compete against any of the teams. I never thought this season season would be a walkover ... In fact, under our new manager, I accepted from the start of this season JMP would at least need a full season to "bed-in" (And I still believe this) So I approached this season with "not too ambitious expectations" ...Not thinking of promotion, or even getting into the play-offs. Partly, this was around my personal health. And that included my mental health ... The strain & depression that comes from following a game, where a DFC win is expected, & simply doesn't happen. And then trying to work through the disappointment & pain that follows a poor, or non-performance, that means another loss of points. I understand we all go through this to different degrees. Even after this, although I still held the view, that the bigger picture was more important (looking at the whole season as a chance for us/new manager to find our feet) another defeat or poor performance from the Club/Team we all love was just as hard to take as it ever was. Do others feel the same? If our "slow" forum of late with a big emphasis on too many negative posts (imo) it does look like we are all really suffering bad. Not criticising anyone but I've noticed that some posters on here, appear to be totally unnaffected, or even uninterested, by Dundee United performances. Genuinely I say, "Good for them" I only wish I could remain as totally detached as others seem to be. Each to their own however I suppose. No me though. Not gonna go intae the floggin they gave us (we awe ken that wisnae easy tae tak) But any doubt I may have had, that what they did, didnae really bother me evaporated that recent game they had at home against Arbroath when they stole the game 2-1 with 2 goals in the last two minutes...Eh was seek that day !! Any pretence I had of "couldnae care less whit they day" definitely vanished then. But enough of that ... Saturday it's our turn ... C'mon the Dark Blues ... LET'S DO IT
  17. Maybe as the New DFC Season gets ever nearer, eh'm getting meh auld self bit over-excited. However on reading this Aricle from the Courier, I find I'm starting to get this warm feeling I've got to watch not to get carried away at this stage. Paper-talk, disnae equal points. But whit I see/read/hear of James McPake. it looks to me, we could be on a winner...Slow & Steady https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/919691/dundee-assistant-boss-jimmy-nicholl-quickly-realised-james-mcpake
  18. Firstly, apologies if someone else has already added following link (I'm still catching up)...https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/the-mood-has-been-great/ I already watched/tried to listen, to his video comments...But being now a bit hard of hearing, it's much easier (& better) to read what he had to say. Chances are, all of you will have either read this, or listened/watched video, but even so it's good to hear something good positive coming from DFC. Although I am not advocating James is a shoe-in for the permanent role of DFC Manager, it's good to read/see/hear the respect he has for the Club. Maybe at end of the day, we could do much worse. But whatever way it pans out, and we do want the best. It's good to know it's not all bad news
  19. To say he was angry was putting it mildly ... He was furious !! (I'm not sure how to add BBC Radio Scotland Sound here ... Maybe someone can add this)
  20. The Topic Heading may clearly indicate, it's me going on again, aboot the process of choosing the next manager. Well it is in part ... But certainly not only that. It is also about, what appears to be, the little that is happening about our present manager position (although of course things may be happening behind the scenes) I understand we're not privy to be hearing everything...And this is probably one area, where we would NOTbe expected to know too much. But is anything happening? I have had no experience as a Football manager, so in that specific area, I probably know less than nothing. However like many, if not most people, in their working & personal life, although realising the importance of knowledge & experience in the subject area you wish to be involved in, I also believe, it is as important, to be able to relate your point in a clear, concise, firm, but friendl,y non-aggressive & non-threatening manner "MAN MANAGEMENT" To be a football manager (or even just a simple person, trying to get through personal & working life, marriage/partnerships, etc, I believe the demands can be much greater. Finding right person to manage our Club is not going to be easy .... As it stands at the moment, a new manager, as well as trying to put a plan into action, to get us back to some kind of respectable/professional level, he is expected (I think) to take on the every day responsibilties of conveying these ideas (in a professiona, likeable, civilised way on to each member oh his team. In my view and experience, on a general level, there are many folk out there .... Knowledgeable, well educated, well qualified & experienced, who it appears, have all the needed attributes ... But fall down, because they lack the ability to get their point across in an understandable & welcoming manner. Football managers these days are expected to be first class in every area ... And it is a "hard ask"... But this time, we must get it right. As suggested, a DOF would maybe help share responsibilities. But let's start the process NOW (Maybe havered on a bit there)...But there might be something to start of (another) discussion
  21. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48085400 Basically another Review & Analysis & Some More Stats, which you may wish to comment on...(If you feel you can handle them) On a slightly different theme (include this in responses if you wish) I'm now OK with thought of dropping doon a division ... ARE YOU? I could not have faced another season like one near ending. If Championship means, winning some games & challenging...That's fine. But Let's Get The Right Man at the Helm. So Please DFC Let's Do This Right. ALL TOGETHER NOW. "THE ONLY WAY IS UP DFC"
  22. I think when I started doing that just after our promotion (Was that 3 seasons ago?) some posters may have resented this, Thinking I was being "too cocky & presumptious" That however was NEVER my intention...I accept, it did not feel too bad, to keep reminding our neighbours, who was the City's Top Club (Maybe simple banter, or gloating) But the main reason was to constantly remind DFC/BOD/FPS/MANAGER/PLAYERS (not fans) that we had at last made that big final step up to the Premiership. And it was now ours to lose, or take full advantage of, by slowly, but steadily, making our place in the PREMIERSHIP secure. Not to take our eyes off the ball (That's directed at FPS) I think they did, & a golden opportunity has been squandered. And we, as DFC fans/supporters, have been left angry & disillusioned. What happens now? I really dont know.
  23. I have popped back & forward onto the forum today & added an occasional post...And checked out for new posts. However, just about each time (every hour on the hour) there has been "no new posts" except sometimes, one or two. Members online today (like all week) it seems to me, number around the10 to15. Unless maybe I've missed something. Have we all totally given up any hope on our Club? Are you all...Angry, depressed, apathetic, really couldnae care less? I'm specifically talking about Game tomorrow. But on a more general level. Does relegation mean, that's it for you?
  24. Assuming FPS finance a spell in the championship( not guaranteed I know). Whoever is in charge faces one hell of a job building a side from the wreckage of this season. Apart from Ralph and Nelson there are absolutely no resources available to the next manager. Even the 25 point deduction wasn’t as serious as where we are now.
  25. Talk aboot salt in the wounds ... Aye thanks for the reminder Steven Gerrard This thread is no' really aboot Kamara (I've just used him as an example) ... I'm asking the question: Are DFC destined, NEVER to be a force in Scottish Football? I might be daft, but when I use the word "force" I'm no daft enough to believe in DFC reaching Top Six in Premiership. But the 3 seasons past (basically) trying to fight oor way oot the the relegation zone ... Is this the kinda future we are noo looking forward to? This disastrous season, we've reached the point of no return !! As I said I dinnae want to focus on Kamara...Because most will agree, it appeared, he had decided to give up on Dundee & had made up his mind he wanted the move to Rangers asap (who "generously gifted" DFC £50,000) And then he went on (not at all surprisingly) to do the great stuff, he knew, we knew, Rangers knew, he was more than capable of. This Topic I'd like to hear views from others (& DFC) What really is our future? Is it (as before) Sell our decent players on & cheap?
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