What Do We Want From A New Manager & Who Fit'S The Bill?

[gedee]

The players we've got are the players we've got ..... And by that I mean the present personnel are the ones who are going to be with us for the next 5 crucial games.

So if a new manager comes in, he will know & we will know, what's in front of him are the players he has to work with. With that in mind what he do to halt this awful run?

Tactics, systems, players roles & players mental attitude. He will not have a great deal of time to do this. But I believe, focusing on this, he can achieve a great deal in the short time available. He is not going to get a bunch of (arguably) mediocre players playing supreme, silky football overnight. But if he is the right man, he should be able to (even in the space of a few days) be able to improve their mind-set, into something more pro-active.  Add the necessary urgency & grit into their play for 90 minutes.  Bring some clarity & simplicity to the systems. tactics, roles they play.

In other words let them go out on the park, fit focused, energetic, enthusiastic.  Simply knowing what each are meant to be doing.  Playing for themselves & their personal pride.  As well as playing for each other. ( Sorry PH, but you are confusing them) .... IMO.

SO, IF YOU AGREE, I MAY BE THINKING ALONG THE RIGHT LINES ...... WHO SHOULD WE GET IN QUICKLY TO DO THIS?

For the sake of getting this going again, I am going to throw in, Terry Butcher, John Hughes, Peter Houston,Tommy Wright.

(Names've been coming into the forum at a fast & furious rate the past days. in the circumstances I say keep them coming)

[bjs]

Alex Neil as he's available or Jack Ross if he'd come.......but they must have a Sense of normality and play to our players strengths and not what farfetched ideas they have. These five games require disapline, passion, commitment, organisation and old fashioned hard work. If we get that and have players playing where they are comfortable and used to in formations they understand and with teammates who they believe in and understand then we will stay up. Failure to have this will see our weaknesses exploited time and again and then it comes down to whether we can continue to keep ourselves above Ict.

[Guest]

Experience pro until the end of the season, then we can decide from there (all depends what league we are in). 

Archie Knox & McPake or Craig Brown in the short term. 

 

Top league: Alex McLeish, John Collins someone  with experience

Lower League: Jack Ross, Peter Houston, Jim Duffy 

[HK Blues]

Somebody who can turn the confidence around in a few days and get the players in a system they understand, and makes us hard to beat. That's enough i reckon!

[harry94]

For next season, I'd be keen on Jack Ross. A very articulate guy who I think could go quite far and turn it around. He's shown a bit of resilience in the difficult situation he's inherited at St Mirren and they now seem a very well drilled side from back to front who would be top of the league with their run of games since he made a couple of tweaks. I get that he doesn't have the most experience in management but he's somebody who has played at literally every level in Scotland (he's a lifelong Dundee fan and was released as a teenager and worked his way back up from amateurs) and ha his highs and lows. He seems like he is Ian Cathro in terms of his will do try and do new things but he actually has quite a significant background and stature which doesn't put him at the same sort of disadvantage with handling the dressing room and adjusting to managing a top flight club that we're seeing at Hearts right now. Ross wrote a very good blog here.

Would be happy with Neil long term but I'd be very surprised if that was attainable. Sacked Championship managers with a Premier League promotion on their record usually pick up a job in the same league in the summer or a decent sized League One club and that would dwarf anything we could pay. May be wrong on that but do see him getting a Blackburn or Wolves type role in the summer and even if he only joined until the summer, I think a relegation could put a dent in that .

In respect to your question about this season, I think our options in bringing someone in from another club are a bit limited (Houston and Duffy may be managing higher division clubs in a few weeks) and I'd be more looking for a temporary fixer who could just instill a bit of resolve. I think Butcher is a bit of a prick who could maybe do more damage going by stories of his time at Hibs. It really depends on the club atmosphere but it could be that Jimmy Boyle is liked well enough and knows the guys quite well that he could step up for a few games and make things a bit pally to get confidence flowing and get us over the line again.

I quite like Jimmy Nicholl whenever he's on the radio and he comes across as somebody who I think would command enormous respect and bring the gravitas to enact change quite quickly. His Cowdenbeath squad (who were consistently punching further above their weight than any club in Scotland) was pretty young from memory too which has similarities to our average age which I think is the lowest in the league and I remember Stewart consistently heaping praise on him.

I do like the experienced pro idea and am quite open to almost everyone though.

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16 minutes ago, bjs said:

Alex Neil as he's available or Jack Ross if he'd come.......but they must have a Sense of normality and play to our players strengths and not what farfetched ideas they have. These five games require disapline, passion, commitment, organisation and old fashioned hard work. If we get that and have players playing where they are comfortable and used to in formations they understand and with teammates who they believe in and understand then we will stay up. Failure to have this will see our weaknesses exploited time and again and then it comes down to whether we can continue to keep ourselves above Ict.

Thank you bjs for your quick response ... Both Jack Ross & Alex Neil I would see as likely candidates ... Bearing in mind also, the players (like us) will want understandably, someone who has proved himself (in part anyway) as a player & as a manager. Someone also that can be detached. Someone who players will respect & work for & with. ( I would take the pont that a manager is there to manage & certainly not be dictated to by players. But as each day passes quickly, in these circumstances ...First impression really counts ...As the saying goes... YOU ONLY GET ONE CHANCE TO MAKE A FIRST IMPRESSION.   (It looks like bjs, we are thinking along the same lines)

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22 minutes ago, GregTeamDee said:

Experience pro until the end of the season, then we can decide from there (all depends what league we are in). 

Archie Knox & McPake or Craig Brown in the short term. 

 

Top league: Alex McLeish, John Collins someone  with experience

Lower League: Jack Ross, Peter Houston, Jim Duffy 

Hi Greg .. Thanks for your response ...  (No jist based on me panicking .... Although I am)

 Absolutely any of the names mentioned above, I believe would suit the role & in this case, I would include Mc Pake..... I like the way you've laid out your choices. 

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13 minutes ago, HK Blues said:

Somebody who can turn the confidence around in a few days and get the players in a system they understand, and makes us hard to beat. That's enough i reckon!

' Morn HK ... Your short concise comment hits home for me. Maybe simple confidence is the key.

If I were asked to add just one thing, it would probably (again because of the time element)  Authority

(Probably goes without saying there has to be mutual respect & understanding between players/mgr)

[Boba Fett]

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19 minutes ago, harry94 said:

For next season, I'd be keen on Jack Ross. A very articulate guy who I think could go quite far and turn it around. He's shown a bit of resilience in the difficult situation he's inherited at St Mirren and they now seem a very well drilled side from back to front who would be top of the league with their run of games since he made a couple of tweaks. I get that he doesn't have the most experience in management but he's somebody who has played at literally every level in Scotland (he's a lifelong Dundee fan and was released as a teenager and worked his way back up from amateurs) and ha his highs and lows. He seems like he is Ian Cathro in terms of his will do try and do new things but he actually has quite a significant background and stature which doesn't put him at the same sort of disadvantage with handling the dressing room and adjusting to managing a top flight club that we're seeing at Hearts right now. Ross wrote a very good blog here.

Would be happy with Neil long term but I'd be very surprised if that was attainable. Sacked Championship managers with a Premier League promotion on their record usually pick up a job in the same league in the summer or a decent sized League One club and that would dwarf anything we could pay. May be wrong on that but do see him getting a Blackburn or Wolves type role in the summer and even if he only joined until the summer, I think a relegation could put a dent in that .

In respect to your question about this season, I think our options in bringing someone in from another club are a bit limited (Houston and Duffy may be managing higher division clubs in a few weeks) and I'd be more looking for a temporary fixer who could just instill a bit of resolve. I think Butcher is a bit of a prick who could maybe do more damage going by stories of his time at Hibs. It really depends on the club atmosphere but it could be that Jimmy Boyle is liked well enough and knows the guys quite well that he could step up for a few games and make things a bit pally to get confidence flowing and get us over the line again.

I quite like Jimmy Nicholl whenever he's on the radio and he comes across as somebody who I think would command enormous respect and bring the gravitas to enact change quite quickly. His Cowdenbeath squad (who were consistently punching further above their weight than any club in Scotland) was pretty young from memory too which has similarities to our average age which I think is the lowest in the league and I remember Stewart consistently heaping praise on him.

I do like the experienced pro idea and am quite open to almost everyone though.

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Hello Harry ... Thank you for spending the time to give clear detailed response ... (although fae yir guid self, eh'd expect nothing else)

I am not going to add anything at all to the comments made by you in your first para. on Jack Ross...Well said &Good opening choice.

Neil, for me, would definitely be well up there ...I accept we would not necessarily be his first choice. Maybe Mr. wid push oot the boat.

I do think there might be a question mark around Butcher Is it possible to be a motivator & a prick?  (Maybe get him on a good day)

If we were to go for a new (even temporary manager) now, think we might be looking at a different kind of person Still think we should.

If the situation is as serious as it looks, & relegation is a real possibility, we do not have the luxury o going through a selection process. 

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4 minutes ago, Boba Fett said:

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"JACK the LAD" ... Jings, he even looks like a Fitba Manager 

[Dariusz Dee]

Sacking Hartley is the right thing to do, even his staunchest supporters can see that now.

 

Who do we replace him with? I really don't know.

 

I see Jack Ross getting named everywhere but to me he is just as big a risk as Hartley. Did Ross not get Alloa relegated last season? (Might be wrong)