John Nelms In Today'S Paper

[UWTB1893]

John Nelms has confirmed the following.

• Gerry McCabe to take training until an appointment 

• Short and Long-Term candidates being looked at.

• All candidates are 'Scottish-based' and available now.

• No In-House appointment. O'Dea and McPake have been informed of this.

Read more in the link below (Source | The Scotsman)

https://www.thedarkblues.co.uk/news/dundee-fc-news/new-dundee-boss-is-on-a-five-game-rescue-mission-r375/

[Boba Fett]

Can't argue with anything he's said there... The sooner, the better.

[Cobra]

Have to say I rate Nelms. It looks like he's going about things in the right way.

[Rusty Dee]

Glad he has confirmed his intentions now and also it won't be an in  house appointment. We badly require an outsider to come in and knock a few heads together and get them all to work and play together  as a team. No more of them and us plus he wants somebody to organise them before we play our last five games. To me the word "organise" suggests he has come to the conclusion we weren't and because of this he has decided he had to roll the dice. Good luck to him as something had to be done.

[BigG]

2 hours ago, Cobra said:

Have to say I rate Nelms. It looks like he's going about things in the right way.

He's part of the problem, absolute no leadership skills or communication, gave PH carte blanche on signings and contracts.#.

He should have punted him last October after the Partick game. Probably to late in the day now.   

Edited 18 April 2017 by BigG

[Cobra]

15 minutes ago, BigG said:

He's part of the problem, absolute no leadership skills or communication, gave PH carte blanche on signings and contracts.#.

He should have punted him last October after the Partick game. Probably to late in the day now.   

Hartley should have been sacked immediately before we went on our best run at Dens since the 1980s? Clubs of our size will go on bad runs and suffer painful defeats whoever the manager is. We need to endure poor spells and give a manager time to put things right. Properly run football clubs change managers in the summer unless there is a massive crisis (which is what we're facing now).

Maybe Nelms gave Hartley too much control but the opposite can be a problem as well if the managing director is being too controlling over signings. I imagine it's difficult to strike a good balance. Nelms is new to this so I'd hope he'd get better at the job and learn lessons from poor deals we've made in the past.

No idea about his leadership skills or communication but whatever his limitations I'd rather have him in charge than Cook, Dixon, Di Stefano, Melville or the like.

[downfielddee]

Just now, Cobra said:

Hartley should have been sacked immediately before we went on our best run at Dens since the 1980s? Clubs of our size will go on bad runs and suffer painful defeats whoever the manager is. We need to endure poor spells and give a manager time to put things right. Properly run football clubs change managers in the summer unless there is a massive crisis (which is what we're facing now).

Maybe Nelms gave Hartley too much control but the opposite can be a problem as well if the managing director is being too controlling over signings. I imagine it's difficult to strike a good balance. Nelms is new to this so I'd hope he'd get better at the job and learn lessons from poor deals we've made in the past.

No idea about his leadership skills or communication but whatever his limitations I'd rather have him in charge than Cook, Dixon, Di Stefano, Melville or the like.

Agreed. Easy to say things like he should have been sacked then in retrospect. Think Nelms is doing alright and most fans would have probably kept Hartley up until Saturday when it became apparent he admitted he had ran out of ideas. 

[chomp my root]

5 hours ago, BigG said:

He's part of the problem, absolute no leadership skills or communication, gave PH carte blanche on signings and contracts.#.

He should have punted him last October after the Partick game. Probably to late in the day now.   

Um, surely giving the manager carte blanche on signings is why we have a manager, otherwise we could save a fortune and John Nelms could do it all. Then if he makes a bad signing he could just sack himself. You know, after running it past the fans and we all share an opinion on everything.

Let it go, whether he's part of the problem or not (in your eyes) he's here, he's in charge and horror of horrors, he might not get every single thing right. Nelms OOOOOT etc. 

[EastLothianBlue]

5 hours ago, BigG said:

He's part of the problem, absolute no leadership skills or communication, gave PH carte blanche on signings and contracts.#.

He should have punted him last October after the Partick game. Probably to late in the day now.   

I have a friend who is a MD of a Company with bigger turnover and asset value than DFC. He is responsible for designing and delivering the Business Plan and creating a vision and ethos for the Company. He is the leader when it comes to everything and is the fall guy if the Company goes through hard times. Day to day (and despite hiring people to help) he has ultimate responsibility for profit and loss, management accounts, cashflow, Business Development, Marketing, HR, Training Programmes etc. He also deals with PR and communication issues and is responsible for H&S and Quality Mgt. He also answers to the board etc and is a Director too. I doubt if Helms job spec looks any different. 

So when people asks what he does all day: that's what he's doing. Managing and Directing the things that keep DFC going and growing, things most of us have never experienced: bank negotiations, asset negotiations etc. He's understabdky got little to do with the football side except for attempting to hire people and give funds to ensure the Business Plan is hit. No MD in Nelms position would publicly state their aim is to finish Top 10 so of course he had to show a plan that said Top 6, new stadium, USA game: otherwise he'd be accused of being under ambitious. Create a Family Day that gets 6500 fans in and expect to get slated about pricing, entertainment etc. And it was obviously his fault the team got beat as well. Part and parcel of being an MD. Bowl of sh**e with two spoons every day. That's why he gets a big salary: he makes all the decisions whilst everyone else doesn't or snipes by the sidelines. 

Part and parcel of an MDs role is to hire and unfortunately make people redundant. No Business always grows and no Business Plans are consistently met. Nelms stood up yesterday and appears to have handled the dismissal of Hartley with professionalism and grace: in my view he appears to have handled the communications and process very well. 

Regards whether he took too long we will never agree on this. But i can see both sides. But I have no doubt that the decision that he alone had to make and act on yesterday was a massive decision for our club and he would not be under any illusions. And if it goes wrong he is as much in the firing line as Hartley. And that's where I have little doubt that he has a 3 to 5 year plan with various scenarios and contingencies written into it; he'd be a fool not to and his Board wouldn't accept it. 

From what I've seen Nelms is a good MD. I don't need to know every day what he's doing because I'm not that interested in what terms x are supporting our cashflow or whether y is taking us to a tribunal.

We all present ourselves as knowing better than football managers as we've either played junior football or FIFA 2017 but let's not try and pretend we can all be MDs. 

 

[Guest]

Good interview. Interesting that Nelms describes last season as average too. Seems they havent been happy for a while. To be fair they shouldnt be, 5th largest budget is not for fighting relegation. 

[chomp my root]

14 minutes ago, EastLothianBlue said:

I have a friend who is a MD of a Company with bigger turnover and asset value than DFC. He is responsible for designing and delivering the Business Plan and creating a vision and ethos for the Company. He is the leader when it comes to everything and is the fall guy if the Company goes through hard times. Day to day (and despite hiring people to help) he has ultimate responsibility for profit and loss, management accounts, cashflow, Business Development, Marketing, HR, Training Programmes etc. He also deals with PR and communication issues and is responsible for H&S and Quality Mgt. He also answers to the board etc and is a Director too. I doubt if Helms job spec looks any different. 

So when people asks what he does all day: that's what he's doing. Managing and Directing the things that keep DFC going and growing, things most of us have never experienced: bank negotiations, asset negotiations etc. He's understabdky got little to do with the football side except for attempting to hire people and give funds to ensure the Business Plan is hit. No MD in Nelms position would publicly state their aim is to finish Top 10 so of course he had to show a plan that said Top 6, new stadium, USA game: otherwise he'd be accused of being under ambitious. Create a Family Day that gets 6500 fans in and expect to get slated about pricing, entertainment etc. And it was obviously his fault the team got beat as well. Part and parcel of being an MD. Bowl of sh**e with two spoons every day. That's why he gets a big salary: he makes all the decisions whilst everyone else doesn't or snipes by the sidelines. 

Part and parcel of an MDs role is to hire and unfortunately make people redundant. No Business always grows and no Business Plans are consistently met. Nelms stood up yesterday and appears to have handled the dismissal of Hartley with professionalism and grace: in my view he appears to have handled the communications and process very well. 

Regards whether he took too long we will never agree on this. But i can see both sides. But I have no doubt that the decision that he alone had to make and act on yesterday was a massive decision for our club and he would not be under any illusions. And if it goes wrong he is as much in the firing line as Hartley. And that's where I have little doubt that he has a 3 to 5 year plan with various scenarios and contingencies written into it; he'd be a fool not to and his Board wouldn't accept it. 

From what I've seen Nelms is a good MD. I don't need to know every day what he's doing because I'm not that interested in what terms x are supporting our cashflow or whether y is taking us to a tribunal.

We all present ourselves as knowing better than football managers as we've either played junior football or FIFA 2017 but let's not try and pretend we can all be MDs. 

 

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I dunno mate, back in the day I was pretty good at Transport Tycoons. I think that qualifies me. 

Looks like PH's job was 'shit catcher' for John Nelms, no PH and JN gets it l now.

[Rocky Boy]

Read the Scotsman article today by Alan Patullo, excellent summary of Hartley going, he has all the facts spot on, unlike, sadly the local Courier and the West Coast papers and Radio Scotland. Great having someone doing basic journalism and going and finding out the TRUE facts of a story.