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After tonight's 3-0 win over Hamilton, and Aberdeen's draw with County, Dundee's U-20 team are just 1 point behind leaders Hibs, with 3 games to go, and Aberdeen in 3rd place 4 points behind, with a game in hand. 

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It would be great to see them get a wee bit more support for the run-in. Our 3 games:

  • Aberdeen v Dundee, Monday 9th April, Station Park, 14:00 ko
  • Dundee v Hearts, Tuesday 17th April, Links Park, 18:00 ko
  • St.Mirren v Dundee, Monday 23rd April, 19:45....no venue listed yet, but they appear to play at 'Paisley 2021 Stadium' (their own stadium, renamed?)

https://spfl.co.uk/development-league/dev-fixtures/

 

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Beating Aberdeen is a big ask. They've won 8 out of 9 at home and sit just behind us in the third.

We've got to go for it though as a point is no good at this stage of the season.

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Who's won this league in recent years out of curiosity and what have our finishes been those years?

Seems out the blue that we've had a season long title challenge at this level when it seems like just the other year that people were calling for the youth system to be discontinued as we were that bad.

I also take it United's conveyor belt snapped?

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11 hours ago, Cobra said:

Beating Aberdeen is a big ask. They've won 8 out of 9 at home and sit just behind us in the third.

We've got to go for it though as a point is no good at this stage of the season.

I think both Hibs & Aberdeen are perhaps the strongest squads, understandably given the depth in their full squads, so for our team to be sitting in between them, and likely to finish top 3, with a chance of winning the league, is a huge improvement on recent years.

Hibees have Falkirk (bottom), then Aberdeen & Motherwell to play, so they could drop some points in the last 2 games. With Aberdeen playing us & Hibs, plus Celtic & Hamilton, they could yet overtake both & win it. Celtic's 5 games in hand (due to their CL/Europa youth games) mean they can still make 54 points, so not out of reckoning yet.

I think, though, any Dundee side competing for the top 4 places in their league, with 3 games to go, is an achievement, and a credit to the lads & their coaches/manager. They also play some very good football, too....just a pity the home games are in Montrose, or they'd maybe get a decent number of home fans, to keep Wattie company :)

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1 hour ago, CW 90+3 02/05/16 said:

Who's won this league in recent years out of curiosity and what have our finishes been those years?

Seems out the blue that we've had a season long title challenge at this level when it seems like just the other year that people were calling for the youth system to be discontinued as we were that bad.

I also take it United's conveyor belt snapped?

Either the belt's snapped, or they can't afford the generator fuel ;)

County won last season's title....and given where their first team is right now, I'm not sure what to make of that! :o   

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It seems, though, that things are about to change again....

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...though I'd hope we continue to use the Dev/Reserve squad as a rough 50/50 mix of youth & experience. I think the clubs our size need to have a realistic competitive development opportunity for young players who have improved beyond the youth/academy age ranges, to prepare them for the full squad.....as well as somewhere for injured players to regain match fitness.

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43 minutes ago, WoodStein said:

Either the belt's snapped, or they can't afford the generator fuel ;)

County won last season's title....and given where their first team is right now, I'm not sure what to make of that! :o   

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It seems, though, that things are about to change again....

scotsman - spfl-development-league-to-be-scrapped-and-reserve-league-to-return

...though I'd hope we continue to use the Dev/Reserve squad as a rough 50/50 mix of youth & experience. I think the clubs our size need to have a realistic competitive development opportunity for young players who have improved beyond the youth/academy age ranges, to prepare them for the full squad.....as well as somewhere for injured players to regain match fitness.

I really don't get it. They are basically just changing the name of the league again. There's literally no difference and the clamour for a reserve league for competitive football makes absolutely no sense when the squads will just be the same. The only difference it'll make is that the Old Firm will have slightly stronger squads as they can hold more players - that's it.

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1 hour ago, harry94 said:

I really don't get it. They are basically just changing the name of the league again. There's literally no difference and the clamour for a reserve league for competitive football makes absolutely no sense when the squads will just be the same. The only difference it'll make is that the Old Firm will have slightly stronger squads as they can hold more players - that's it.

My wife said to me that with the Under 20’s playing so well could they not promote some of the players into the first team which might get the first team winning as well.

If only it was so simple!

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5 hours ago, harry94 said:

I really don't get it. They are basically just changing the name of the league again. There's literally no difference and the clamour for a reserve league for competitive football makes absolutely no sense when the squads will just be the same. The only difference it'll make is that the Old Firm will have slightly stronger squads as they can hold more players - that's it.

I haven't seen any details, but I guess the requirement for at least 6 U-20's to play might be reduced, or even removed.

It seems this 'change' will kill the idea of introducing the OF 'colts' teams into the lower leagues, which perhaps suits the OF. Rangers, of course, withdrew from the Dev league this season, to play friendlies against English/European youth teams...and Celtic have been playing in the CL/Europa youth competitions.

I guess we can choose to make no change to how we staff the 'reserves', and I'd imagine other clubs might also want to keep it as just now, eg Hamilton, who seem to be good at feeding their first team from the Dev squad. 

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8 minutes ago, WoodStein said:

I haven't seen any details, but I guess the requirement for at least 6 U-20's to play might be reduced, or even removed.

It seems this 'change' will kill the idea of introducing the OF 'colts' teams into the lower leagues, which perhaps suits the OF. Rangers, of course, withdrew from the Dev league this season, to play friendlies against English/European youth teams...and Celtic have been playing in the CL/Europa youth competitions.

I guess we can choose to make no change to how we staff the 'reserves', and I'd imagine other clubs might also want to keep it as just now, eg Hamilton, who seem to be good at feeding their first team from the Dev squad. 

I know it's been stated in the press but I don't really believe the reserve league thing is genuinely a way to make Celtic and Rangers happy. The reason we made the development league in the first place is that we only have maybe five teams who would be able to afford squads of players in which the bulk of the reserve team was actually over 21. Removing the age rules won't really drastically change any teams at that level apart from the whole Old Firm. Even on the occasion that we would field more overage players than the current rules allow, it'd be a bulk of players most likely returning from injury - hardly competitive.

I think they probably know that they won't win a vote on the colt teams so this is their way of jumping on a popular myth and then they can return in a year or two and say nothing has changed and try again. Maybe waiting for junior clubs to jump ship into the Lowland League and the automatic promotion into the league system to be in place so they can maybe make an argument for all the full-time clubs to be involved in regionalisation in some way.

In an ideal universe, although contentious, I do think having a Dundee colt team at the equivalent of the lowland level or whatever could actually be a very good thing but it will take a lot of restructuring and establishment of a proper pyramid before I think that argument could be credible. It can't just be done with Celtic & Rangers. If Annan Athletic can do it, I don't see why we can't.

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16 hours ago, harry94 said:

I know it's been stated in the press but I don't really believe the reserve league thing is genuinely a way to make Celtic and Rangers happy. The reason we made the development league in the first place is that we only have maybe five teams who would be able to afford squads of players in which the bulk of the reserve team was actually over 21. Removing the age rules won't really drastically change any teams at that level apart from the whole Old Firm. Even on the occasion that we would field more overage players than the current rules allow, it'd be a bulk of players most likely returning from injury - hardly competitive.

I think they probably know that they won't win a vote on the colt teams so this is their way of jumping on a popular myth and then they can return in a year or two and say nothing has changed and try again. Maybe waiting for junior clubs to jump ship into the Lowland League and the automatic promotion into the league system to be in place so they can maybe make an argument for all the full-time clubs to be involved in regionalisation in some way.

In an ideal universe, although contentious, I do think having a Dundee colt team at the equivalent of the lowland level or whatever could actually be a very good thing but it will take a lot of restructuring and establishment of a proper pyramid before I think that argument could be credible. It can't just be done with Celtic & Rangers. If Annan Athletic can do it, I don't see why we can't.

Just loan our best U-20's to Lochee then try and get them in League 2 ;)

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