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Anyone else find it strange that Rangers, Derby and now Villa (with Thierry Henry) have gone for "names", former world class footballers with no experience as managers?

These are big clubs facing huge challenges to get back to where they want to be. I'm not sure having a very famous face in the dugout is going to put points on the board. They'll earn respect from the dressing room initially but I can see it ending in tears for all three.

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2 minutes ago, Cobra said:

Anyone else find it strange that Rangers, Derby and now Villa (with Thierry Henry) have gone for "names", former world class footballers with no experience as managers?

These are big clubs facing huge challenges to get back to where they want to be. I'm not sure having a very famous face in the dugout is going to put points on the board. They'll earn respect from the dressing room initially but I can see it ending in tears for all three.

The exact same as us you mean?

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2 minutes ago, CW 90+3 02/05/16 said:

The exact same as us you mean?

Even still holding a strong belief, that NM  may weel turn oot to be something special as a DFC Manager CW' ...

THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME INTO MY MIND, AS I WAS READING Cobra's POST "Mon the Dee":chaplin:

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Just now, CW 90+3 02/05/16 said:

The exact same as us you mean?

I don't think it's the same.

As long as McCann avoids relegation, we can regroup in the summer and go again with another group of players. NM will be given time to adapt to the role without a huge amount of scrutiny from the media.

Rangers simply have to compete against Celtic, have to compete and the top of the table and do well in the cups. If they don't there will be a meltdown, the manager will be forced to leave and it will cost the club a fortune.

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7 minutes ago, Cobra said:

I don't think it's the same.

As long as McCann avoids relegation, we can regroup in the summer and go again with another group of players. NM will be given time to adapt to the role without a huge amount of scrutiny from the media.

Rangers simply have to compete against Celtic, have to compete and the top of the table and do well in the cups. If they don't there will be a meltdown, the manager will be forced to leave and it will cost the club a fortune.

I think it's similar (exact same was possibly slightly exaggerated).

Our owners and the fanbase have aspirations of top 6 and cup semi finals/finals and we are nowhere near any of them for the last 2 years under 2 different managers.

The current manager is a rookie that had no experience that has been brought in to try take the club to these aspirations.

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2 minutes ago, Cobra said:

I don't think it's the same.

As long as McCann avoids relegation, we can regroup in the summer and go again with another group of players. NM will be given time to adapt to the role without a huge amount of scrutiny from the media.

Rangers simply have to compete against Celtic, have to compete and the top of the table and do well in the cups. If they don't there will be a meltdown, the manager will be forced to leave and it will cost the club a fortune.

I think you're quite right there Cobra in your assessment. As well as, pointing oot the different circumstances ...

(But sometimes it's hard tae stop things poppin intae oor heids) It seems there is a strong relationship, between

JN & NM. And as long as progress continues, & NM is "open to learning" I think DFC's future will be "just fine":chaplin:

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I think, in Gerrard's & Lampard's cases, they have very experienced assistants/head coaches joining them, and probably a good few staff in the coaching squad who are already at those clubs. They both have a huge amount of experience to rely on for advice, and club/player knowledge from the staff staying on there. 

In Henry's case, I've not yet read about who he's going to work with, but I'd anticipate it's a similar setup.

In our case, NM's assistant was effectively just as inexperienced when they started, and we only had a couple of coaches already in 'staff' roles (Boyle & Geddes, not sure about any others). That was one of the initial 'fears' about NM's appointment, that he wasn't going to be working with an experienced assistant, as for example if he'd brought Jim Jeffries in to help, having worked for him at Dunfermline. It makes those "well, lads, that tactical plan went spectacularly wrong, what do we do now" conversations a wee bit awkward....."fecked if I know, Neil, we've never tried anything like this before...you're the boss". :o

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I don't think there is anything new tbh, I think it's just gotten a bit more visibility this season as the names have been so massive. Teams have always been happy to make unknown appointments if they have the contact books whether that is. On the one hand, while we might expect a manager to have gained experience at a side like Alloa, they may look on it as wanting someone who also has management experience at a lower league club and so on until you reach Dryburgh Athletic Under 9s - managers have to start somewhere.

I'll predict that Lampard will do very well and Henry might be OK but Gerrard will be a disaster long term (albeit with some possible short-term success if he gets fortunate with his signings this year).

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Going for the experienced manager, I don't think will guarantee success (budget of course must come into it)

At the end of the day, a quality & experienced manager might get the best oot o players. But can only go so far.

I always though find it strange that some Clubs appear to be able to put out big money for a player, but when it

comes to put out the money to appoint what seems a good manager (imo) they try to cut corners. And end up 

with a succession of "Cowboys" .... I wonder whit world famous club comes to mind, when eh say that :lol2:

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19 hours ago, harry94 said:

I'll predict that Lampard will do very well and Henry might be OK but Gerrard will be a disaster long term (albeit with some possible short-term success if he gets fortunate with his signings this year).

I'm the complete opposite. Think Gerrard will outstrip the pair of them in his career in management. It screams to me as a vanity project for Lampard. He'll dip his toe in, it'll get a bit much and off he'll pop into a life of sunshine. Henry's just too arrogant to ever make a fist of it, he'll lose the dressing room sharpish by sniping at folk then trying to be their pal.

Anytime Gerrard talks, there's fire in his belly. 

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12 minutes ago, WeighorstsWang said:

I'm the complete opposite. Think Gerrard will outstrip the pair of them in his career in management. It screams to me as a vanity project for Lampard. He'll dip his toe in, it'll get a bit much and off he'll pop into a life of sunshine. Henry's just too arrogant to ever make a fist of it, he'll lose the dressing room sharpish by sniping at folk then trying to be their pal.

Anytime Gerrard talks, there's fire in his belly. 

Maybe you're right, I certainly see that happening to Henry in the way you describe.

It's just the impression I've got that Gerrard, while maybe having a bit of passion and working hard, is just a bit simple. I remember a few anecdotes from someone who worked at Liverpool and used to be in close contact with him and he was of the opinion that he was the most stupid footballer he'd ever met 😆. Could just be being a bit harsh and giving far too much credit to that guys feelings about him but I think there's only so far you can go if you are like that.

Lampard is unquestionably a really bright guy but I think your right that the big challenge will be how much he cares and what social intelligence he has (which I don't think is teachable or related to normal intelligence - some people just have it).

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1 hour ago, WeighorstsWang said:

I'm the complete opposite. Think Gerrard will outstrip the pair of them in his career in management. It screams to me as a vanity project for Lampard. He'll dip his toe in, it'll get a bit much and off he'll pop into a life of sunshine. Henry's just too arrogant to ever make a fist of it, he'll lose the dressing room sharpish by sniping at folk then trying to be their pal.

Anytime Gerrard talks, there's fire in his belly. 

 

1 hour ago, harry94 said:

Maybe you're right, I certainly see that happening to Henry in the way you describe.

It's just the impression I've got that Gerrard, while maybe having a bit of passion and working hard, is just a bit simple. I remember a few anecdotes from someone who worked at Liverpool and used to be in close contact with him and he was of the opinion that he was the most stupid footballer he'd ever met 😆. Could just be being a bit harsh and giving far too much credit to that guys feelings about him but I think there's only so far you can go if you are like that.

Lampard is unquestionably a really bright guy but I think your right that the big challenge will be how much he cares and what social intelligence he has (which I don't think is teachable or related to normal intelligence - some people just have it).

Interesting views guys....I think Lampard will develop into a good manager, he's a quick learner, was already well through his coaching courses, and has his father's work ethic.....and he's a good communicator. He's also taking on a club with a reputation for being hard to be successful with, and not necessarily throwing money at the job. Unlikely he'll get to buy his way to success.

I tend to agree with Harry's view of Gerrard, perhaps more of a Gascoigne than a Souness.....he's the 'image' in front of the 'workers' & I suspect McAllister will be the team-management 'worker' in that wee group at Ibrox....but they also have Murty running the youths, so there's plenty of experience there to support Gerrard.....and do his interviews for him ;) ....the fire in his belly isn't controlled by his brain & generally exits via his ar*e. :o 

I suspect WW will be proved right re Henry, unless he's got a strong management/coaching team to get him through his first job. 

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