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Match Aftermath: St Johnstone 1 - 0 Dundee (25th Aug 2018)

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The Dark Blues lose their fourth game in a row away to St Johnstone, leaving the Dark Blues with no points in three league matches.

Again it was a player who could have been a Dark Blue who scores. Tony Watt who had trained with the club joined St Johnstone earlier this month scored the only goal just after the break.

Dundee again had plenty of chances but failed to monopolise on the them.

St Johnstone 1 - 0 Dundee

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Tony Watt scoring was about the surest bet of the day. He trains with Boyle and McPake and oor youngsters for a few days whilst unattached and right under our noses and we apparently don't make a play for him*.

*Apologies to NM if we did and he knocked us back, but he would've been a good, one would think motivated, and knowledgeable (about our league and Scottish football in general) signing.

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Think many will be saying the same Billy Campbell's ghost. I wanted it to work but it is not and we need a change. 

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Still think we have a decent looking squad unfortunately tactics and line ups are all wrong .... unfortunately he should do the right thing and walk away ...it's not working vwhat he wants to do and I don't think he'll ever change .

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Jimmy Boyle and McPake for Saturday and get a proper interview process. We have a decent enough team, just need to play to our strengths. Robbie Neilson for me. 

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7 minutes ago, charliedee said:

Still think we have a decent looking squad unfortunately tactics and line ups are all wrong .... unfortunately he should do the right thing and walk away ...it's not working vwhat he wants to do and I don't think he'll ever change .

Everyone on here were saying he played strongest team possible etc before the game so don’t think it was the line up that was wrong... possibly tactics and not taking our chances when we were on top. 

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If Nelms and Keyes want to save money they could sack NM and Garland replacing them with McPake and Boyle. 

In my opinion it would worth a try until the end of this season as Jimmy Boyle is experienced and should be able to guide James McPake in his first managerial appointment. 

As things stand we have nothing to lose as we cannot defend and cannot score goals.

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Just now, Rosco said:

Everyone on here were saying he played strongest team possible etc before the game so don’t think it was the line up that was wrong... possibly tactics and not taking our chances when we were on top. 

After today's line up was fine....the problem I have now is that he will change the line up and formation next week....he did it a few times last season when he started tinkering with the formation during games we were winning in at time....he either changes the way he wants us to play or goes imo.

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Just now, Rosco said:

Everyone on here were saying he played strongest team possible etc before the game so don’t think it was the line up that was wrong... possibly tactics and not taking our chances when we were on top. 

On paper we had 10 good players out there yet from the 40th minute on we disappeared. 

Teams are happy to let us play in front of them as we have no penetration.1 goal against three SPFL teams (2 of which are “bottom six)and two championship teams is deplorable 

last point, probably the smallest Dundee support I’ve ever seen at Perth- board ignore this at your peril. 

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McCann has won 1 point out of 21 from games in August. If you start badly in this league you spend the whole season in a battle to avoid the bottom two places.

The manager was visibly annoyed when the word "pressure" was used in the pre-match conference. He said it was ridiculous to be talking like that so early in the season. While he has a point if we lose next week before facing Rangers and Hibs we are going to be in seriously bad shape.

Assuming Motherwell lose to Rangers tomorrow the Dee will face Well next Saturday with both on 0 points. Whoever loses that will be in crisis going into the international break, even if it is only 4 games played.

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Radio and TV calling us 'clueless Dundee' and lack confidence in front of goal. We are in crisis mode now. Winnable games we have had and got zero points and one goal. 

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Another frustrating day. Chances not taken from us and then poor control from Mendy in midfield opens up our stretched defence to allow Watt to score. Saints had numerous opportunities also with Hamilton pulling off a couple of great saves. 

We are never going to score many goals  with those tactics. Our build up play is painfully slow and laborious, it gives opposition so much time to reform and read the game. We must be the only team that looks for a backwards pass during a counter attack.It’s so frustrating from a fans perspective. NM needs to look at his tactics now. The players, I don’t think, are at fault here. 

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15 minutes ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said:

Head above parapet...McCann must go!

Surprised you've managed to find a space left on the parapet Billy :rant:

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3 minutes ago, Rosco said:

Everyone on here were saying he played strongest team possible etc before the game so don’t think it was the line up that was wrong... possibly tactics and not taking our chances when we were on top. 

I didn't think that was our best 11 and certainly don't think it was the best formation / system.

Hamilton looks nervy and worse than Parish.

Meekings is an absolute bomb scare would prefer that we kept Kerr Waddell. 

I think our squad is suited to playing 352 as would allow Curran and Ralph to concentrate on attacking / providing width. Kerr on the right of the 3 and Kamara in front of the defence protecting them and covering when needed would make us far more solid. 

The biggest issues for me are that the players look low on confidence and clearly aren't playing for the manager and NM is clueless tactically. 

NM has clearly lost the dressing room so has to go. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, DFC1974 said:

We are never going to score many goals  with those tactics. Our build up play is painfully slow and laborious, it gives opposition so much time to reform and read the game. We must be the only team that looks for a backwards pass during a counter attack.It’s so frustrating from a fans perspective. NM needs to look at his tactics now. The players, I don’t think, are at fault here. 

At one point Kamara picked the ball up ahead of circa 5 saints players yet slowed it down immediately. It happens time and time again- it’s definately tactics and they are not working. 

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Following from afar and after a few Saturday night beverages, but it seems the players are better than the results. Caulker, O'Dea, Kerr, Kamara, McGowan etc. are better than this. McCann will always be a great Dee, but this isn't working and for the good of the club, he has to go. Given the time he took to take the job in the first place, he may well resign, or maybe he is too stubborn to resign? Either way, this head in the sand routine can't continue. The club is a shambles. I feel sorry for those of you who pay to watch it on a weekly basis.

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McCann is never a Football Manager. Sorry Neil but you would be better off going back to Sky.

But...but....but.... we play good tippy tappy football and the way football is supposed to be played. I’d hate for us to play route 1 etc etc. 

We’ve all had enough now and it’s time for a change. He simply has to go. No excuses just go please.

The sooner the club realise that we’re no good enough for tippy tappy p**h the better and we might actually pick up points.

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17 minutes ago, charliedee said:

Still think we have a decent looking squad unfortunately tactics and line ups are all wrong .... unfortunately he should do the right thing and walk away ...it's not working vwhat he wants to do and I don't think he'll ever change .

There may well be the makings of a decent squad there charlie' ...

But I just don't see NM ever walking away. Partly pride. But also, what appears to be, the misguided belief, that given time he will get it right.

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Do the BOD believe that NOT spending any amount of money is the way to address the departure of Hemming. We're reduced to picking up the dregs from the bottom of the barrel--why a

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21 minutes ago, charliedee said:

Still think we have a decent looking squad unfortunately tactics and line ups are all wrong .... unfortunately he should do the right thing and walk away ...it's not working vwhat he wants to do and I don't think he'll ever change .

63% possession away from home says it all about our tactics mate and maybe more importantly the opposition's. Teams are happy for us to have the ball.

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12 minutes ago, GregTeamDee said:

Jimmy Boyle and McPake for Saturday and get a proper interview process. We have a decent enough team, just need to play to our strengths. Robbie Neilson for me. 

Sounds just about right for me Greg' ...

But withoot wanting to sound "clever" is there no' a wee bit of a contradiction,

in advocating an "interview process" then suggesting select Robbie Neilson?

Maybe there's no' . Eh'm wondering how'll eh'll cope wi' next 7 days o' misery :tears:

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9 minutes ago, ChinaDee said:

The club is a shambles.

Bit harsh that. The first team, under NcCann, are struggling for goals and results. The club, at this stage, are still in pretty good shape.

McCann's tactics seem to be the problem.

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Radio saying Saints players were able to go through our defenders as if they didn't see them.No challenge.Is that true?If so we are in a worse state than I thought.

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23 minutes ago, Rosco said:

Everyone on here were saying he played strongest team possible etc before the game so don’t think it was the line up that was wrong... possibly tactics and not taking our chances when we were on top. 

Got to agree Rosco, that the concensus on here was NM played his strongest/best team of player ... So it begs the question, what went wrong?

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