Cobra Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 The English Premier League has finally decided to introduce VAR. Would you like to see it used in Dundee's games for the start of next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodStein Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 Yes, even just the last couple of weeks there have been loads of key decisions that officials didn't get right. However, unless the SPFL can ringfence some of the TV income to fund it (ie, the clubs will be paying, by accepting reduced fees), we'll use the excuse that it's not economically viable. They'll need a couple of extra cameras at some grounds, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Posted 15 November 2018 Author Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 Apparently Neil Doncaster is not a fan. He said recently that "it is not yet clear whether its introduction would enhance the game". He believes that because there have been instances where officials have made mistakes after reviewing replays, that is evidence not to introduce it. How did we end up with this clown in charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFC1974 Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 17 minutes ago, Cobra said: Apparently Neil Doncaster is not a fan. He said recently that "it is not yet clear whether its introduction would enhance the game". He believes that because there have been instances where officials have made mistakes after reviewing replays, that is evidence not to introduce it. How did we end up with this clown in charge? Ironically whoever decided that “it’s not yet clear if it would enhance the game” would have had to have used video footage of referees using it and the incidents they are gauging this opinion from! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCram Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 No, if it is going to be used like it was for the World Cup. The system was a shambles and although it did help on occasion it would be better to amend the laws. 1 Any jersey pulling automatic foul, 2 any hand ball automatic foul/penalty.3 Assistant referee MUST flag for any offences that he sees. Go for VAR if they use it the way Rugby uses it where the TMO is a qualified referee and can access the the TV angles to allow both him and the referee to discuss the situation and make a joint decision. Also record all discussion and play back over TV so that spectators can be informed as the process is taking place. Would also take time keeping away from the ref and have a big clock that everyone can see. American football do it, and so does rugby. play stops when the ball goes out and does not restart until the ball is thrown in etc, same for goal kicks and free kicks etc to take out time wasting as a tactic. Can either make it a big count down to the end of the 90 minutes OR when the 90mins are up the game stays live until the ball either goes out of play or there is some other reason for the play to stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCram Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 24 minutes ago, Cobra said: Apparently Neil Doncaster is not a fan. He said recently that "it is not yet clear whether its introduction would enhance the game". He believes that because there have been instances where officials have made mistakes after reviewing replays, that is evidence not to introduce it. How did we end up with this clown in charge? Football has become a diving, cheating game where the referee has far too much influence over the result. Teams with bigger support get better decisions from referees IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travellingdee Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 10 hours ago, BCram said: No, if it is going to be used like it was for the World Cup. The system was a shambles and although it did help on occasion it would be better to amend the laws. 1 Any jersey pulling automatic foul, 2 any hand ball automatic foul/penalty.3 Assistant referee MUST flag for any offences that he sees. Go for VAR if they use it the way Rugby uses it where the TMO is a qualified referee and can access the the TV angles to allow both him and the referee to discuss the situation and make a joint decision. Also record all discussion and play back over TV so that spectators can be informed as the process is taking place. Would also take time keeping away from the ref and have a big clock that everyone can see. American football do it, and so does rugby. play stops when the ball goes out and does not restart until the ball is thrown in etc, same for goal kicks and free kicks etc to take out time wasting as a tactic. Can either make it a big count down to the end of the 90 minutes OR when the 90mins are up the game stays live until the ball either goes out of play or there is some other reason for the play to stop. I fully agree with your opening line Bcram. In the world cup there were three big penalty decisions that I felt the referee got wrong despite the use of TV, if the decision is still up to the referee then to me there seems to be no piont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attilio Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 I'm all for VAR's making most of the decisions in each match. Would certainly be an improvement on Bobby ersehole Madden and the rest of his buddies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkblue Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 2 hours ago, BCram said: No, if it is going to be used like it was for the World Cup. The system was a shambles and although it did help on occasion it would be better to amend the laws. 1 Any jersey pulling automatic foul, 2 any hand ball automatic foul/penalty.3 Assistant referee MUST flag for any offences that he sees. Go for VAR if they use it the way Rugby uses it where the TMO is a qualified referee and can access the the TV angles to allow both him and the referee to discuss the situation and make a joint decision. Also record all discussion and play back over TV so that spectators can be informed as the process is taking place. Would also take time keeping away from the ref and have a big clock that everyone can see. American football do it, and so does rugby. play stops when the ball goes out and does not restart until the ball is thrown in etc, same for goal kicks and free kicks etc to take out time wasting as a tactic. Can either make it a big count down to the end of the 90 minutes OR when the 90mins are up the game stays live until the ball either goes out of play or there is some other reason for the play to stop. On the last part mate, there were studies done to see how much actual time the ball is in play in football and between throw-ins, free kicks, goal kicks, time wasting, subs, injuries etc etc, on average the ball was only in play for around 45 to 60 minutes per game. On that thinking, if we stopped the clock every time the ball wasn't on the park, a 90 minute game could, in theory, end up being something like 160 minutes long (90 minutes, plus 45, of which another 22.5 minutes would need to be added for the ball being out of play again...) Now, I like my football, but whether I want to leave Dens at 6pm (including 15 minutes for half time) for a 3pm kick-off, I'm not so sure. And night games would be just about impossible... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40993250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCram Posted 15 November 2018 Report Share Posted 15 November 2018 2 hours ago, barkblue said: On the last part mate, there were studies done to see how much actual time the ball is in play in football and between throw-ins, free kicks, goal kicks, time wasting, subs, injuries etc etc, on average the ball was only in play for around 45 to 60 minutes per game. On that thinking, if we stopped the clock every time the ball wasn't on the park, a 90 minute game could, in theory, end up being something like 160 minutes long (90 minutes, plus 45, of which another 22.5 minutes would need to be added for the ball being out of play again...) Now, I like my football, but whether I want to leave Dens at 6pm (including 15 minutes for half time) for a 3pm kick-off, I'm not so sure. And night games would be just about impossible... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40993250 Thanks for the info. Didn't realise it was so much. Agree that this would not be practicable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblair Posted 16 November 2018 Report Share Posted 16 November 2018 Yes absolutely. The more help these amateurs get to make the correct decision the better imo. Penalty decisions and off the ball incidents have the potential to change games entirely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edin_Dee Posted 16 November 2018 Report Share Posted 16 November 2018 Initially I was against VAR being introduced. The reason being that it slows the game down. After watching the world cup though I've changed my mind. It added extra excitement to the game and I quite enjoyed it. It's not going to take away debate over decisions and there will still be mistakes. What it will do though is force referees to think about their decisions properly. Willie Collum is the biggest example of an official who rushes into a decision too quickly. Other referees will be intimidated into giving decisions for the big teams. They might have some doubt but they give the big team the benefit of the doubt for fear being centre of attention in the papers the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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