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1 minute ago, Johan scott said:

I'd like to know who was responsible for the terms of Kerr Waddell's loan deal with Morton, which according to the press, we cannot recall the player "due to the terms of the agreement". What complete clown signs off a deal like that? We could fair do with Kerr's aggression and passion right now, and he certainly could have helped with a certain selection issue tonight! 

Hi Johan,

Sadly I do not know the answer to your question. In my opinion John Nelms should know the answer as he will have probably drawn up the agreement. I suggest that you send him an email asking for an explanation why the club cannot recall Kerr Waddell and who drew up the terms of the agreement. 

If Kerr Waddell has obtained a serious injury whilst on loan at Morton it is likely that he would have been promptly sent back to Dens and the agreement torn up.

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1 minute ago, Cobra said:

Two of our three league wins have come against Hamilton. Two of our three clean sheets have come against Hamilton. It would be quite fitting if we finally found ourselves in 10th place after beating Accies.

It seems Accies are in total disarray with their own terrible run & now recent loss of manager, which gives me a wee bit, glimmer of hope.

I am no'  sure if our past record against them really comes into it. And a win for DFC against them is no guarantee we'll not be relegated either.

But in this case I don't really care if we play total sh**e as long as we come away with the 3 points. There's a chance we will rise to the occasion.

But as I said ... Don't dare Dundee leave there with no points !!

 

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Just waiting on the inevitable "players are hurting and want to put it right at the weekend" quote from one of the playing staff in tomorrows tele. Predictable and deluded. Hope I'm wrong and we stuff Accies but it annoys me greatly that we allow ourselves to get stuffed and embarassed so easily after it looked like we were turning the corner (again). So many false dawns following this club

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2 minutes ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

To be fair to Islay our problems lie a lot further back than JM's team selection. Whilst the lack of board meetings didn't directly affect tonight's result there rarity and other non communications has led us down today's path. Hiring manager and backing them to the hilt, for me, is part of the problem.

No, tonight was directly JM's fault due to the team selection and the bench he left himself. He could have had a totally different line up tonight, but for some reason he choose not to play the likes of Kamara or the other midfield players we have available at the club right now. In the context of everything else, this was of JM own making and failure, hopefully he learns from it.

However, as I have said in other posts, our signing and transfer polices have to change. We are to foot loose and fancy free when it comes to bring in players and then getting rid of them and the last three or four seasons of revolving door transfers highlights that things have to change in this regard. I feel that we are wasting vast amounts of money in releasing players from their contracts either because we brought in the 'wrong type' of player to begin with or the manager has delusions of grandeur or is given pretty much a free reign to bring in who he likes.

We as a club need to realise that this is not a game of Football Manager 2019 and start treating the transfer market like a business with some accountability, and having a monthly meeting isn't going to solve that as I am pretty sure they are in contact with each other on a daily basis (or next to near that).

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7 minutes ago, Johan scott said:

I'd like to know who was responsible for the terms of Kerr Waddell's loan deal with Morton, which according to the press, we cannot recall the player "due to the terms of the agreement". What complete clown signs off a deal like that? We could fair do with Kerr's aggression and passion right now, and he certainly could have helped with a certain selection issue tonight! 

Without wanting to start an argument mate how do you know we want him back?. As far as I'm aware he's not seen as being nearly ready to consistently deliver here and it's thought that he'll progress better playing regularly at a good level. It's the same with Jeffries, Henvey, Scott etc, all you see is boys calling for them to play in the first team. If these guys were ready and good enough I'd be surprised if they didn't get a chance. From what I've seen I'd guess that a few of these alleged prospects will not be here next season.

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Macintyre's time is up and he can take those duds he signed with him. He is full of himself blaming the players for the umpteenth time when it was all to do with his stupid team selection.

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Now that cup business is over, there is a hugely important week coming up for the Dee and our rivals to avoid the drop.

Thursday 31st - Transfer window closes

Saturday 2nd - Hamilton v Dundee
Rangers v St Mirren

Wednesday 6th - Dundee v Killie
Hamilton v St Johnstone
St Mirren v Motherwell

? - Hamilton appoint new manager

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You can just picture the scenario pre match.

A long journey to Dumfries.

The guys look at the dismal team selected and don’t fancy it.

The plastic pitch.

The awful feckin weather.

Obviously a good few of them said feck this, I want this over with so I can get back up the road.

Am I right or wrong?

 

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1 minute ago, McSkimmeroo said:

Just waiting on the inevitable "players are hurting and want to put it right at the weekend" quote from one of the playing staff in tomorrows tele. Predictable and deluded. Hope I'm wrong and we stuff Accies but it annoys me greatly that we allow ourselves to get stuffed and embarassed so easily after it looked like we were turning the corner (again). So many false dawns following this club

You are right freend ...

Most of us are in enough pain/disgusted/embarrassed, after tonight's result, without being further insulted by  the "empty post match haverins of players"

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5 minutes ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

Without wanting to start an argument mate how do you know we want him back?. As far as I'm aware he's not seen as being nearly ready to consistently deliver here and it's thought that he'll progress better playing regularly at a good level. It's the same with Jeffries, Henvey, Scott etc, all you see is boys calling for them to play in the first team. If these guys were ready and good enough I'd be surprised if they didn't get a chance. From what I've seen I'd guess that a few of these alleged prospects will not be here next season.

Fans are only calling on them to play because the guys with the jerseys are so bad.

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5 minutes ago, Spiritof62 said:

You can just picture the scenario pre match.

A long journey to Dumfries.

The guys look at the dismal team selected and don’t fancy it.

The plastic pitch.

The awful feckin weather.

Obviously a good few of them said feck this, I want this over with so I can get back up the road.

Am I right or wrong?

 

One thing that struck me reading comments before the game on QoS's message board, official Twitter, etc. was that beating Dundee to reach the next round for a lucrative cup tie v Aberdeen was massively important to them. From the players to the fans to the board they wanted to win badly. I really don't think it mattered all that much to us and we were unsurprisingly well beaten.

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32 minutes ago, Islaydarkblue said:

Hi TDB,

 If there had monthly board of directors meetings NM would have been sacked a lot sooner than he was plus the directors would have questioned NM signing a load of dross. 

In my opinion Tim Keyes who is supposed to be the Chairman of Dundee Football Club Limited must take a more ‘hands on role’ and try to get things sorted behind the scenes at Dens even if it means playing players who Jim McIntyre does not fancy. 

If we carry on like this we will be relegated at the end of this season. 

John Nelms should be put in charge of the new stadium development and Keyes should bring in a Chief Executive who has experience of running a professional football club. 

What has board meetings got to do with winning football matches?

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1 hour ago, Blueboy said:

It will be a lot different on Saturday. 

We've seen the last of Inniss for a start. Two gifts didn't help either. Anyone know why players pass back rather than hoof the ball to f**k?

Ask cammy kerr he's the worlds worst at it

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2 minutes ago, TheDarkBlues said:

No, tonight was directly JM's fault due to the team selection and the bench he left himself. He could have had a totally different line up tonight, but for some reason he choose not to play the likes of Kamara or the other midfield players we have available at the club right now. In the context of everything else, this was of JM own making and failure, hopefully he learns from it.

However, as I have said in other posts, our signing and transfer polices have to change. We are to foot loose and fancy free when it comes to bring in players and then getting rid of them and the last three or four seasons of revolving door transfers highlights that things have to change in this regard. I feel that we are wasting vast amounts of money in releasing players from their contracts either because we brought in the 'wrong type' of player to begin with or the manager has delusions of grandeur or is given pretty much a free reign to bring in who he likes.

We as a club need to realise that this is not a game of Football Manager 2019 and start treating the transfer market like a business with some accountability, and having a monthly meeting isn't going to solve that as I am pretty sure they are in contact with each other on a daily basis (or next to near that).

Totally disagree. With regular communication we don't get to the point where we have a manager putting out teams to make a statement because he's been saddled with someone else's duds. Making major decisions behind closed doors has started us on a vicious cycle. JM's team selection was another case of us treating the symptoms rather than looking at the cause. He's been given funds to bring in EIGHT new players and that will likely go into double figures by midnight on Thursday. We could be paying first team wages to something around 30 players by the close of the week plus paying previous staff members as well. The team selection isn't the cause of our problems right now for me.

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Your absolutely right.

Its disgusting that Queens are a better organised outfit than ours.

They have taken the piss out of us over two games.

The players and coaches are a disgrace, maybe Jmac just sees us as eight months of pay packets until his next move.

 

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9 minutes ago, Spiritof62 said:

You can just picture the scenario pre match.

A long journey to Dumfries.

The guys look at the dismal team selected and don’t fancy it.

The plastic pitch.

The awful feckin weather.

Obviously a good few of them said feck this, I want this over with so I can get back up the road.

Am I right or wrong?

 

I'd say wrong.

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Calm down boys we will be fine  Its a wee blip

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9 minutes ago, Spiritof62 said:

Fans are only calling on them to play because the guys with the jerseys are so bad.

What makes you think that these guys are better?.

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4 minutes ago, TheDarkBlues said:

We as a club need to realise that this is not a game of Football Manager 2019 and start treating the transfer market like a business with some accountability, and having a monthly meeting isn't going to solve that as I am pretty sure they are in contact with each other on a daily basis (or next to near that).

You're close enough with that last bit....and, of course, most of us know Board meetings no longer have to happen in one room around 'ye olde oak boardroom table', with video & audio conference options so widespread & available on our mobile phones.

The Football Manager bit is the area that concerns me most, perhaps....the much-discussed high turnover of unplanned signings & gap-plugging loans. The longer we keep this up, the more damage we seem to do. We thought Hartley had things planned, then NM said there was no recruitment planning or resources, and now JM seems to have found the same, so (other than a few of his earlier players), he's having to grab guys in a hurry.

It can't go on this way, I just pray we make 10th & allow JM (or a.n.other) to plan ahead....we don't have to go back to square one again in summer. 

 

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wrong.... should be up for it, playing for the jersey and the next round of the cup.

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38 minutes ago, Islaydarkblue said:

Hi TDB,

 If there had monthly board of directors meetings NM would have been sacked a lot sooner than he was plus the directors would have questioned NM signing a load of dross. 

In my opinion Tim Keyes who is supposed to be the Chairman of Dundee Football Club Limited must take a more ‘hands on role’ and try to get things sorted behind the scenes at Dens even if it means playing players who Jim McIntyre does not fancy. 

If we carry on like this we will be relegated at the end of this season. 

John Nelms should be put in charge of the new stadium development and Keyes should bring in a Chief Executive who has experience of running a professional football club. 

So John Nelms does not have enough experience running a Scottish Premier League club, yet we should put Tim Keyes in charge; possibly the only person connected to Dens with less experience of Scottish Football than John Nelms. 

Genuis.

And just for good show, Keyes should have a hand in picking the team. And owner picking the team? Why not! It’s worked out well in so many other situations...

Jeez Islay - your posts are a right carry on sometimes.

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1 minute ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

Totally disagree. With regular communication we don't get to the point where we have a manager putting out teams to make a statement because he's been saddled with someone else's duds. Making major decisions behind closed doors has started us on a vicious cycle. JM's team selection was another case of us treating the symptoms rather than looking at the cause. He's been given funds to bring in EIGHT new players and that will likely go into double figures by midnight on Thursday. We could be paying first team wages to something around 30 players by the close of the week plus paying previous staff members as well. The team selection isn't the cause of our problems right now for me.

I was agreeing with you in many respects.

However, tonight's result, in my opinion down to JM's team selection or rather lack of it and all because he didn't want to play players which he deemed not good enough for his team. We left ourselves short and paid the price. He should have swallowed his pride or been told to include those players from his bosses when they saw the team sheet.

As I said in my previous post, our transfer policy needs addressed and sorted out or we will just be destined to repeat the same mistakes over and over.

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4 minutes ago, Spiritof62 said:

Well Rev I respect your point of view but I’d say I’m not far off the truth.

Are you seriously suggesting that a whole team of professional football players don't want to play because of the weather?.

PS, click on the quote button when replying to a particular poster/post mate, makes it easier to understand who/what you're replying to and saves any misunderstanding.

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1 minute ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

Are you seriously suggesting that a whole team of professional football players don't want to play because of the weather?.

PS, click on the quote button when replying to a particular poster/post mate, makes it easier to understand who/what you're replying to and saves any misunderstanding.

Oh come on, you have God on your side and he should show 'you the way' to the quoted post! ;)

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