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What Qualities Make A Good Manager/coach .......(John Hughes) ?


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I have put this forward, not to be controverial, or with the idea of replacing PH, who most of us now agree, is doing a grand job, but just as a general discussion point, jist tae keep the forum rolling along............although there may well be a time in the (distant future) when we will be looking for a replacement.

I am no thinking o' the Top Football Managers around the World. More of in the context of our game ... Scottish Football.

Although most of us here, like to think we ken a wee bit aboot Fitba, and consequently, what would make a good manager, how many (hand on heart) said .....  "That's a great appointment ICT they have made ......  when they heard initially, JH got the job ?

I think the nicest thing said about him at the time on oor forum, and by many ithers, including their fans, was, the guy is a big useless dumpling !!

Kenny Cameron, ICT Chairman, said at the time, something like ...... "He stood out, head and shoulders above a high quality short list" 

So there was then, a general agreement between ICT fans and other fitba fans in general ...... That heir chairman, must be a big useless dumpling an awe !!   ............It looks now like, awe o' us, might have been wrong.

Some of you might still be of the same view, he is still  a clown.        (Although I think he appears, honest and likeable)

But I am only using JH as an example of how difficult it must be, to choose the right manager for your team.

Most of us could list the qualities needed to succeed ....... So would anyone like to comment, choose, prioritise ?

I dont think there is a definite right or wrong answer to the above. We all have our own ideas.

There again, maist fitba fans are startin tae realise, fir the genuine "expert opinions" TDB is the one to go to :lol2: 

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Yogi was a terrible appointment for ICT at the time I thought.

Butcher had made ICT into a strong unit, hard to break down and solid from front to back. They played for each other and played for him.

When he left, the team was a shadow of its former self. The team he built, although the same players were sloppy, slow and didn't respond to Yogi very well.

Months down the line, as I seen last night at the ICT v United game, ICT are solid again. Front to back etc.

They do play route one football but not just punt and hope.

They knock it about at the back, draws teams out then hit a killer pass. It works and it's his style. They ripped united.

Personal, at the start I didn't agree but now, great appointment. On a decent budget too.

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Yogi is still to be tested, their squad is thinning out with Yogi's refusal to make a signing....they really needs to replace McKay and will need to do the same with Shinnie and Watkins

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I think Alex Neill is going to be a good manager, he seemed to have taken Hamilton from no where to 4th in the Premier. He had the team all fighting for each other and punching well above their weight. Will be interesting to see how he gets on down south.

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I think Alex Neill is going to be a good manager, he seemed to have taken Hamilton from no where to 4th in the Premier. He had the team all fighting for each other and punching well above their weight. Will be interesting to see how he gets on down south.

While I wish him all the best down there I think he might struggle with his lack of reputation. I hope I'm wrong and he throws a few headlocks around and lets the players know there's a new sheriff in town. As you say, he did a fantastic job at Accies but he had the chance to build that squad over quite a period when he was coaching the yoofs so that helped with the 'esprit de corps' that his team seemed to have. What he achieved was pretty amazing really given the limited budget at Hamilton and the number of home grown players they've brought through.

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The ability to win football matches in the face of adversity is what makes a great manager.

Tactics

Contacts

Eye for a player

Transfer dealings

Business sense

Man management skills

All of it counts for nothing if you are losing games or is celebrated out loud if you are winning them.

The Inverness chairman put his faith into a manager who he felt could put a winning team on the park within the conditions he would have to operate.

His faith was well placed it seems..

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You make a lot of good points Gedee.

Funnily enough, I still don't rate John Hughes AT ALL. If he were to be Hartley's replacement, for example, I'd feel as down as if we'd just appointed some past it manager such as Jimmy Calderwood. I think there's certain managers that just 'fit' at clubs, in the same way as players just 'fit'.

To make my point clearer, look at Jocky Scott. An absolute, categorical disaster for pretty much every team he managed bar us, yet in every time he managed us he done well, and in the first 2 appointments VERY well. (The third time ended badly, but I still hold the belief we'd have finished closer/won the league had we not sacked him AND he done a great job steadying the ship after Rae).

Another example, Gary Harkins is one of our most important players in a season we're gunning for the top 6 yet he absolutely flopped at Killie and St Mirren.

Terry Butcher done a poor job at Motherwell, had them finish 12th (The season they were miraculously saved due to Falkirk's stadium) done pretty poor pretty much everywhere else, even relegated ICT, but then it clicked, and he got it right and they took the Scottish leagues by storm. He then went to Hibs and was again, a very poor appointment. 

Alex Neil, I am surprised at, again he was a manager I thought that just 'fit', but he looks to be doing the business at Norwich too.

Genuinely believe we have the most talented manager currently managing in Scottish football. He'll make mistakes, he might not go the furthest, but he has the work ethic, the judgement of a player, and decent tactically. He also has a great track record. Every season he's done something unthinkable. From going from 2 players to winning the league in his first season with Alloa (Look at Barry Ferguson at Clyde who now have a much bigger budget than Hartley did for a comparison). Promoted the second season too, beating unanimous favourites Dunfermline in the play-offs on the way. Then there was his third season, he quit after getting beat 5-1 from Dumbarton, a horrendous result, but up until that point, people were starting to think that Alloa could make the promotion play-offs again, which is just astounding! Then he took over a struggling and wavering Dee side and led us to our first title in around 9 attempts with a squad that wasn't his. In his first full season at the newly promoted side, he has them challenging for the top 6.

If you want to find the qualities of a good manager, look no further than Paul Hartley as he's been a complete success in every season he's been a manager in his short managerial career thus far. He is the reason why it's so exciting to be a Dee right now and for the first time in years, to be able to look forward to the future.

And that comes from a guy that thought Hartley was an absolute d**khead as a player! :lol:

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While I wish him all the best down there I think he might struggle with his lack of reputation. I hope I'm wrong and he throws a few headlocks around and lets the players know there's a new sheriff in town. As you say, he did a fantastic job at Accies but he had the chance to build that squad over quite a period when he was coaching the yoofs so that helped with the 'esprit de corps' that his team seemed to have. What he achieved was pretty amazing really given the limited budget at Hamilton and the number of home grown players they've brought through.

Like a lot of other Scottish managers he could find it tough down there. I wonder how he will get on with a larger budget?

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You make a lot of good points Gedee.

Funnily enough, I still don't rate John Hughes AT ALL. If he were to be Hartley's replacement, for example, I'd feel as down as if we'd just appointed some past it manager such as Jimmy Calderwood. I think there's certain managers that just 'fit' at clubs, in the same way as players just 'fit'.

To make my point clearer, look at Jocky Scott. An absolute, categorical disaster for pretty much every team he managed bar us, yet in every time he managed us he done well, and in the first 2 appointments VERY well. (The third time ended badly, but I still hold the belief we'd have finished closer/won the league had we not sacked him AND he done a great job steadying the ship after Rae).

Another example, Gary Harkins is one of our most important players in a season we're gunning for the top 6 yet he absolutely flopped at Killie and St Mirren.

Terry Butcher done a poor job at Motherwell, had them finish 12th (The season they were miraculously saved due to Falkirk's stadium) done pretty poor pretty much everywhere else, even relegated ICT, but then it clicked, and he got it right and they took the Scottish leagues by storm. He then went to Hibs and was again, a very poor appointment. 

Alex Neil, I am surprised at, again he was a manager I thought that just 'fit', but he looks to be doing the business at Norwich too.

Genuinely believe we have the most talented manager currently managing in Scottish football. He'll make mistakes, he might not go the furthest, but he has the work ethic, the judgement of a player, and decent tactically. He also has a great track record. Every season he's done something unthinkable. From going from 2 players to winning the league in his first season with Alloa (Look at Barry Ferguson at Clyde who now have a much bigger budget than Hartley did for a comparison). Promoted the second season too, beating unanimous favourites Dunfermline in the play-offs on the way. Then there was his third season, he quit after getting beat 5-1 from Dumbarton, a horrendous result, but up until that point, people were starting to think that Alloa could make the promotion play-offs again, which is just astounding! Then he took over a struggling and wavering Dee side and led us to our first title in around 9 attempts with a squad that wasn't his. In his first full season at the newly promoted side, he has them challenging for the top 6.

If you want to find the qualities of a good manager, look no further than Paul Hartley as he's been a complete success in every season he's been a manager in his short managerial career thus far. He is the reason why it's so exciting to be a Dee right now and for the first time in years, to be able to look forward to the future.

And that comes from a guy that thought Hartley was an absolute d**khead as a player! :lol:

Really good post Ludo.....

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The ability to win football matches in the face of adversity is what makes a great manager.

Tactics

Contacts

Eye for a player

Transfer dealings

Business sense

Man management skills

All of it counts for nothing if you are losing games or is celebrated out loud if you are winning them.

The Inverness chairman put his faith into a manager who he felt could put a winning team on the park within the conditions he would have to operate.

His faith was well placed it seems..

Boba, for somebody like myself, who can easily go off at a tangent in my posts, and off topic in my responses, it really is fine to read a post like your own that briefly, concisely, answers the question. Agree with your comments/ the points in your list. Any more skills that determine a top manager ?

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You make a lot of good points Gedee.

Funnily enough, I still don't rate John Hughes AT ALL. If he were to be Hartley's replacement, for example, I'd feel as down as if we'd just appointed some past it manager such as Jimmy Calderwood. I think there's certain managers that just 'fit' at clubs, in the same way as players just 'fit'.

To make my point clearer, look at Jocky Scott. An absolute, categorical disaster for pretty much every team he managed bar us, yet in every time he managed us he done well, and in the first 2 appointments VERY well. (The third time ended badly, but I still hold the belief we'd have finished closer/won the league had we not sacked him AND he done a great job steadying the ship after Rae).

Another example, Gary Harkins is one of our most important players in a season we're gunning for the top 6 yet he absolutely flopped at Killie and St Mirren.

Terry Butcher done a poor job at Motherwell, had them finish 12th (The season they were miraculously saved due to Falkirk's stadium) done pretty poor pretty much everywhere else, even relegated ICT, but then it clicked, and he got it right and they took the Scottish leagues by storm. He then went to Hibs and was again, a very poor appointment. 

Alex Neil, I am surprised at, again he was a manager I thought that just 'fit', but he looks to be doing the business at Norwich too.

Genuinely believe we have the most talented manager currently managing in Scottish football. He'll make mistakes, he might not go the furthest, but he has the work ethic, the judgement of a player, and decent tactically. He also has a great track record. Every season he's done something unthinkable. From going from 2 players to winning the league in his first season with Alloa (Look at Barry Ferguson at Clyde who now have a much bigger budget than Hartley did for a comparison). Promoted the second season too, beating unanimous favourites Dunfermline in the play-offs on the way. Then there was his third season, he quit after getting beat 5-1 from Dumbarton, a horrendous result, but up until that point, people were starting to think that Alloa could make the promotion play-offs again, which is just astounding! Then he took over a struggling and wavering Dee side and led us to our first title in around 9 attempts with a squad that wasn't his. In his first full season at the newly promoted side, he has them challenging for the top 6.

If you want to find the qualities of a good manager, look no further than Paul Hartley as he's been a complete success in every season he's been a manager in his short managerial career thus far. He is the reason why it's so exciting to be a Dee right now and for the first time in years, to be able to look forward to the future.

And that comes from a guy that thought Hartley was an absolute d**khead as a player! :lol:

Ludo ..... Thank you for your interesting response, and opening comment.

I think you were aware, I was just using JH as an example, and although I accept he would not be for everyone, the pont I was trying to get over is, how easy it is for clubs (and us) to get it all wrong.

I really like your idea, that some managers and players "fit" into a club ...... It is such a good point, and now you have made it, it is so damned obvious, I'm no' sur why I never thought o' that. Your comments/profile on PH reflects my own exactly ...... so no much point in me trying to add to it :)

( Things must be changing here when eh can compress my posts .....However, weel done on your post Ludo ...... But next time, cut back :D )

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