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I’ve went for a 5 4 1 formation, I don’t think we can compete with St Johnstone on ability so I would try and frustrate them, maybe sneak a goal from a set piece or a break away. If we play open and concede early then the heads might go down and the fans would turn to frustration. Depending on results elsewhere then maybe have a go last 20 mins or so. 

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I think in terms of the St Johnstone game .... it is about not losing this game. The best outcome I can see is winner takes all at Dens against St Mirren. Keep it tight for the the first two away games ...if we somehow manage to nick something on the counter then that is a bonus. A target of 5 points from the opening 3 games post split might give us a sniff of a play-off. Living in the south of England I have not made it to Dens this season but if i were up there I would be sticking by the team. I appreciate this season has been a bag of sh**e all round... but if you can scrape together the cash then get to any of the last 5 games and give the lads whatever you have left. 

 

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A win against St.Johnstone could change things in a big way depending how the other two get on. I still believe we have enough to get us out of this mess. We are hoping for a play-off place at least but praying for a Hamilton collapse as well. It must be our day for beating the Saints. They cannot go a season having a 100% record against us. A win against them could do a lot for the team's confidence.

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12 minutes ago, Iain T Campbell said:

A win against St.Johnstone could change things in a big way depending how the other two get on. I still believe we have enough to get us out of this mess. We are hoping for a play-off place at least but praying for a Hamilton collapse as well. It must be our day for beating the Saints. They cannot go a season having a 100% record against us. A win against them could do a lot for the team's confidence.

Agree with all of that

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On 10/04/2019 at 18:03, BigG said:

I’ve went for a 5 4 1 formation, I don’t think we can compete with St Johnstone on ability so I would try and frustrate them, maybe sneak a goal from a set piece or a break away. If we play open and concede early then the heads might go down and the fans would turn to frustration. Depending on results elsewhere then maybe have a go last 20 mins or so. 

Jesus, this cheers me up.

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1 hour ago, Spiritof62 said:

Jesus, this cheers me up.

Not my making sir, just the way I’ve seen the last four games played out. No one wants a team brimming with confidence more than I, unfortunately better players drive more confidence in the team and we do not have better players than the teams we are about to play.

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Believe me we will beat the fermers it will give us great confidence. And

go on and beat the Well the rest will be a piece o phish so don’t worry we

will survive. I think anyone agree.

Cum on the f ucking Dee we can do it.

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8 hours ago, WESTENDDEE said:

Believe me we will beat the fermers it will give us great confidence. And

go on and beat the Well the rest will be a piece o phish so don’t worry we

will survive. I think anyone agree.

Cum on the f ucking Dee we can do it.

If only football was like this, I think you have to be a bit more realistic Westenddee, we have been outplayed by the Fermers on each of our encounters this season, the last game was a joke with the Fermers in cruise control from 55 minutes in. It’s the same as when McIntyre rolls out the same gash prematch about getting a good start, playing with confidence, taking chances blah blah blah

He needs to find a system that stops us conceding goals first, then we can approach games with renewed confidence that might allow for a better end to the season. 

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6 minutes ago, BigG said:

If only football was like this, I think you have to be a bit more realistic Westenddee, we have been outplayed by the Fermers on each of our encounters this season, the last game was a joke with the Fermers in cruise control from 55 minutes in. It’s the same as when McIntyre rolls out the same gash prematch about getting a good start, playing with confidence, taking chances blah blah blah

He needs to find a system that stops us conceding goals first, then we can approach games with renewed confidence that might allow for a better end to the season. 

He has had decent defensive periods for games recently against Celtic and St Johntsone. The trouble IMO is that they have not managed to score any of the few opportunities that they did create. We score the end of the game chance against Celtic what a difference that would have made. Totally agree about the blah blah blah stuff, but what else can he say? Need to get all the players defending when the opposition has the ball and definitely have goal scorers like Wright, Nelson and Miller on the pitch. I'd play CCurran in midfield instead of JCurran and see what he can do.

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3 minutes ago, BigG said:

If only football was like this, I think you have to be a bit more realistic Westenddee, we have been outplayed by the Fermers on each of our encounters this season, the last game was a joke with the Fermers in cruise control from 55 minutes in. It’s the same as when McIntyre rolls out the same gash prematch about getting a good start, playing with confidence, taking chances blah blah blah

He needs to find a system that stops us conceding goals first, then we can approach games with renewed confidence that might allow for a better end to the season. 

Hi Big G. There will  be many who will agree with your response. Previous games, aligned with our general form (& league position) means St J. will win this.

But, the same number (& maybe even a bit more) would have felt exactly the same on the day Celtic came to Dens a few weeks ago. And yes they beat us !!

However I don't think anyone of us thought, we could hold out as we did that day until that injury-time goal in a very questionable sixth minute of  injury time.

WESTENDEE is definitely going for the "very positive prediction" & you may be right to temper things down a little. But as you suggest "Fitba is a funny game"

DFC have got to get their act right on the day. Be focused, be determined, be inspired. And to put it bluntly "Work their erse of for themselves, & each other"

Even one point would give us hope. Imagine the feelings & reaction for Manager, Players, Ourselves if we picked up the 3 points. DFC. Full week to Prepare:bouncy:

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20 minutes ago, BCram said:

He has had decent defensive periods for games recently against Celtic and St Johntsone. The trouble IMO is that they have not managed to score any of the few opportunities that they did create. We score the end of the game chance against Celtic what a difference that would have made. Totally agree about the blah blah blah stuff, but what else can he say? Need to get all the players defending when the opposition has the ball and definitely have goal scorers like Wright, Nelson and Miller on the pitch. I'd play CCurran in midfield instead of JCurran and see what he can do.

Hi BC' ... It looks like you were getting together your response, the same time as me (ref. to celtic) Your post must have went in, just as I was concluding mine.

(Is this a case of  "Two Great Minds etc ..." Or is our weel concealed powers of telepathy taking over. Or jist twa dafties, that have overdone the happy pills):chaplin:

As the countdown begins, leading up to this crucial game (those of us who are able to) should be posting...As many Positive Inspirational Posts as Possible :happyyes:

My Message to Dundee Football Club (DFC MANAGER & PLAYERS) YOU HAVE 5 FULL DAYS TO PREPARE PROVE TO YOURSELVES & US WE CAN DO IT :wub:

 

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25 minutes ago, Gedee said:

But, the same number (& maybe even a bit more) would have felt exactly the same on the day Celtic came to Dens a few weeks ago. And yes they beat us !!

 However I don't think anyone of us thought, we could hold out as we did that day until that injury-time goal in a very questionable sixth minute of  injury time

I think the formation against a far superior Celtic side suited us, Since then McIntyre has chosen to change this formation continuously against clubs he thinks we can compete with on ability. This is the point I was trying to get at, we can compete with these teams with aggression, heart, spirt, determination but in terms of football ability I think we have the worst in the league? This at the moment is proving to be correct as we are bottom and haven’t won in seven games. However, the worst footballing side does not always go down as Hamilton have proven previously and teams often win cup games against stronger teams..

McIntyre has to get the set up right and get belief in the players that they can get out this mess.. 

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1 hour ago, BigG said:

I think the formation against a far superior Celtic side suited us, Since then McIntyre has chosen to change this formation continuously against clubs he thinks we can compete with on ability. This is the point I was trying to get at, we can compete with these teams with aggression, heart, spirt, determination but in terms of football ability I think we have the worst in the league? This at the moment is proving to be correct as we are bottom and haven’t won in seven games. However, the worst footballing side does not always go down as Hamilton have proven previously and teams often win cup games against stronger teams..

McIntyre has to get the set up right and get belief in the players that they can get out this mess.. 

He went with something similar against Aberdeen and got lambasted for it on here afterwards. 

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48 minutes ago, barkblue said:

He went with something similar against Aberdeen and got lambasted for it on here afterwards. 

Yes he did, because he had Nelson and Miller on the bench at the start of the game. It worked until the penalty then instead of giving Moore the chance to redeem himself and stick with the plan he effectively throws in the towel, changes to the very formation that he knew was a losing one if he started with it and the rest as they say is our history. He has got to get the strong defence attitude instilled in all the players and he absolutely must play Nelson and Miller at the start of the game to provide the maximum goal threat. There have been chances to score and not having our best goal scorers on the pitch seems to me to be a questionable tactic. Perhaps there's a reason for the decision, perhaps someone can enlighten me?

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1 minute ago, BCram said:

Yes he did, because he had Nelson and Miller on the bench at the start of the game. It worked until the penalty then instead of giving Moore the chance to redeem himself and stick with the plan he effectively throws in the towel, changes to the very formation that he knew was a losing one if he started with it and the rest as they say is our history. He has got to get the strong defence attitude instilled in all the players and he absolutely must play Nelson and Miller at the start of the game to provide the maximum goal threat. There have been chances to score and not having our best goal scorers on the pitch seems to me to be a questionable tactic. Perhaps there's a reason for the decision, perhaps someone can enlighten me?

I think partly it's because Nelson hasn't been fully fit since he arrived. Miller on the other hand has just been really poor since his initial burst of goals. Curran gives great energy (which is often wasted up there by himself mind) and is much more likely to contribute as a long forward than Nelson is - other than in front of goal.

On the other point - damned if you , damned if you don't. If he'd left Moore on and stayed with 1 up top and we still got beat 1-0 I think Dens would have gone into meltdown. Bringing on Nelson and Miller 'showed' he was looking to get back in the game. I reckon he was playing for a point and when we lost the goal that idea was completely burst.

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1 hour ago, barkblue said:

He went with something similar against Aberdeen and got lambasted for it on here afterwards. 

He played a back five against Celtic with all three centre half’s playing. 

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4 minutes ago, BigG said:

He played a back five against Celtic with all three centre half’s playing. 

I meant in terms of his intentions in the game - that's what I was meaning by similar but maybe didn't explain that very well. Both were a case of containment, with a slight eye on hitting on the break. He obviously felt he could do it more overtly against Celtic, while having a little more of a go against Aberdeen. Ultimately we got caught out overcommitting against The Dons though.

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2 hours ago, barkblue said:

I think partly it's because Nelson hasn't been fully fit since he arrived. Miller on the other hand has just been really poor since his initial burst of goals. Curran gives great energy (which is often wasted up there by himself mind) and is much more likely to contribute as a long forward than Nelson is - other than in front of goal.

On the other point - damned if you , damned if you don't. If he'd left Moore on and stayed with 1 up top and we still got beat 1-0 I think Dens would have gone into meltdown. Bringing on Nelson and Miller 'showed' he was looking to get back in the game. I reckon he was playing for a point and when we lost the goal that idea was completely burst.

Yes, fair point. He can't do anything right until we win a game.

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28 minutes ago, BCram said:

Yes, fair point. He can't do anything right until we win a game.

Never a truer word said mate.

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3 hours ago, BCram said:

Yes he did, because he had Nelson and Miller on the bench at the start of the game.

Rock bottom and a shot to nothing game against Aberdeen at home. And our top goalscorers on the bench.

JM. Go now 😡

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1 hour ago, Dondeh said:

Rock bottom and a shot to nothing game against Aberdeen at home. And our top goalscorers on the bench.

JM. Go now 😡

Think we need to hope that JM can work with his players to get us into the playoffs. Not sure that turning the team over to the guys currently at the club will do anything better. If he was going to go it would have been done before now, IMO.

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The last two St Jonstone games have been the Mathew Kennedy show-he has been far too good for us both times.

He gave Horsefield a complete run around at Perth, Cammy has a lot more pace and can hopefully keep him quiet.

Dont play Jesse in front of Cammy to give more protection against Kennedy.

The rest of the Saints team are a bunch of strong physical guys in midfield which unfortunately we are not.

They don't create much but will win most of the midfield headers and 50/50's.

Hadenius might be worth a game to try and combat them.

 

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If I was Jim McIntyre I'd just write down Martin Woods and Seny Dieng then stick the rest of the names into a hat and see which ones come out in a random draw.

After all, why change now?

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17 hours ago, Prince Buster said:

If I was Jim McIntyre I'd just write down Martin Woods and Seny Dieng then stick the rest of the names into a hat and see which ones come out in a random draw.

After all, why change now?

I've heard he likes a game of alphabetti spaghetti team selection. O's, or hoops, are quite common and M's are also upside down W's hence Woods starting most weeks.

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Been thinking about this game and the fragile confidence of the players, we lose this game and we are down, straight down.

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