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Just about sums up our season.

Dundee fans have reached the end of his tether. Picture: SNS/Kenny Smith

It was one of the standout lines from Dundee managing director John Nelms’ programme notes ahead of Saturday’s clash with Aberdeen at Dens Park. It regarded manager Jim McIntyre.

They lost the game 2-0.

So, with that in mind, let’s look at some data. Under McIntyre Dundee have:

• Played 27 matches

• Won three

• 11.1 win percentage

• Conceded 56 goals

• Scored just 21

• Been beaten 5-0 and 5-1, plus 4-0 twice

• Lost the last seven

• Scored once in over more than nine hours of football

• Been bombed out the Scottish Cup by Queen of the South, losing 3-0 to a team who are now fighting their own relegation battle in the division below

Some may say the team are edging towards a return to the Championship. But when you break it down, this is a team spiralling head-on towards the drop, under a manager who is running out of ideas.

It is only fair to rewind to the start of the season when McIntyre wasn’t in charge and it was Neil McCann in the hotseat. The former winger professed a positive style of play and was dogmatic in his approach to getting his ideas onto the pitch. He put his faith in players who had little to no experience of Scottish football.

The names of Jean Alassane Mendy, Karl Madianga and Elton N’Gwatala will likely prompt a cold shiver down the spine of supporters. A shake of the head will be the reaction after mentioning Adil Nabi, Ryan Inniss and Jack Hamilton.

 
 

They ‘contributed’ to seven defeats from the first eight league games as well as an embarrassing exit to Ayr United in the Betfred Cup.

One goal in particular epitomised the difficulties of the McCann reign. Goalkeeper Hamilton was brought in from Hearts with the idea of playing out from the back.

Any supporter of the Tynecastle side would query such an idea and it was hammered home on the first day of the season. Hamilton tripped over the ball when trying to take on a St Mirren forward, conceding a winning goal to St Mirren who are now relegation rivals.

McCann had been supported by the Dundee board, as had Paul Hartley before him, and McIntyre has after him. 

“We have brought in three managers,” wrote Nelms. “Two with little experience, backing them based on how we do things, providing a stable and safe platform. We desperately wanted them both to succeed but for various reasons they ultimately did not. Now we have Jim at the helm.”

Those in charge at Dundee are loyal and supportive and, on the surface at least, ambitious. They want to build a new stadium and move away from the crumbling Dens Park which is costing the club money each season in maintenance. It is so important they are a Premiership club while they go through this transition.

That’s why McIntyre was brought in: a safe pair of hands; the border collie to usher this riff-raff into the safety pen of the Premiership, away from relegation. Understandable considering his time at Ross County, who he led to League Cup victory and decent positions in the league. 

Instead, watching Dundee now is the equivalent of witnessing the border collie charging about the field aimlessly as the sheep look on with a mixture of bemusement and indifference.

There is no direction and seemingly no plan to fix it. It was an appointment which looked doomed for failure from the start when he was unable to bring in Billy Dodds as his assistant. Those in charge seemed unaware of the former Dundee United striker’s history with the Dens side. Having previously been assistant at Dens under Gordon Chisholm, Dodds objected to the company voluntary arrangement (CVA) that took Dundee out of administration in 2011.

McIntyre has not been able to sort out the problematic defensive issues with calamity lurking around every corner. A highlights reel of goals conceded would be more at home at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival than the Scottish Premiership.

No team have given up more shots in the league, meaning whoever is between the sticks must feel like Goldberg in The Mighty Ducks, tied to the goals, facing an avalanche of shots.

The goal in the 1-0 defeat to Hearts last month was emblematic of defending straight out of Chuckles University. As the players fall over one another trying to clear the ball they appear to be actively trying to get themselves included in a new version of Nick Hancock’s Football Nightmares. They reached a whole new realm of comedy.

McIntyre has not been helped with Andrew Davies being unavailable since signing in January. He has broken his foot twice. Then again, it is naive to rely on a 33-year-old with a history of injury problems.

It is slightly better in attack but not nearly to the extent that it would offset the defensive displays. The arrival of Andrew Nelson provided a real boost. But his injury while celebrating a goal against Livingston was another staging post in Dundee’s dismally daft campaign, ruling him out for a few weeks. In addition, Scott Wright, on loan from Aberdeen, has gone off the boil recently. 

The team pose little threat to opponents but have a self-destructive streak. Not a good combination.

Ross County fans were criticised for thinking it was time for McIntyre to move on. Those concerns have come to light in the City of Discovery. There have been an increasing number of strange changes to the team, unusual selections and then there is Martin Woods.

Signed in November, he is a favourite of McIntyre, as he was at County, and similarly undroppable. He is someone who is finished at this level. Decent on the ball but his ability to read the game, especially in a defensive sense, is akin to a drunk trying his hand at orienteering. 

With five games left of the season and three points behind 11th-placed St Mirren, survival is still achievable, albeit they’ll likely have to face a playoff, possibly against rivals Dundee United. Yet, hope among the Dundee support is dissipating.

Whatever division the club are in next season, with the second oldest team in the Premiership this season on average and 24 players either returning to their parent club or out of contract it is the perfect time to rebuild and start from scratch in terms of the playing side.

Nelms wrote: “We are Dundee Football Club: No one likes us, and we don’t care.”

He will actually find that the club have been very well liked by opponents this campaign. And therein lies the issue.

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Spot on once again  from Pattullo.

It's  embarrassing . 

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Hard to argue with someone who is clearly a Dundee fan, the facts are the facts. We seemed to have hope for a while this season when we climbed off the bottom, that hope is all but gone, with most of us seeing no way we can win one game never mind the 4 that McIntyre says we need to survive. It looks like McIntyre will be manager next season no matter what the outcome is. Of course if we did get into a play-off (unlikely) against United and we lost, no manager could survive that surely?

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Courageous journalism. Represents us with his platform and it needed to be said. Just hope it is picked up by more readers than the print Scotsman has.

Thats Big Al banned fae Dens now! Lol. If it was the Huns he surely would be banned from Greyskull.

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The border collie analogy used to described McIntyre made me think of Black Bag, Faithful Border Bin Liner from Viz. Actually Black Bag is of more use than McIntyre so a poor comparison in fact.

1 hour ago, Muirton62 said:

Nelms wrote: “We are Dundee Football Club: No one likes us, and we don’t care.”

Not even your own fans any more John, we think your team's a disgrace.

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40 minutes ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said:

Courageous journalism. Represents us with his platform and it needed to be said. Just hope it is picked up by more readers than the print Scotsman has.

Thats Big Al banned fae Dens now! Lol. If it was the Huns he surely would be banned from Greyskull.

Yes, it is, and yet another excellent bit of writing from Alan. I think it's good to have this 'view from a distance', from a dyed-in-the-wool Dee who can put aside his connection to the club & offer us some objective comments on issues we all discuss regularly. I've noticed Alan at Dens occasionally, but no idea how often he attends home or away games....but, of course, every game is available to see in full (DeeTV), if you miss it.

Three points stand out, for me......

  • "...with the second oldest team in the Premiership this season on average" - was it last season, of the start of this season, that NM had the youngest squad in the Premiership? That's quite a transition.
  • "He will actually find that the club have been very well liked by opponents this campaign. And therein lies the issue." - unfortunately, all too true, as indicated by our many topics on opponents ending losing runs, goal-less runs, etc when they meet us.
  • "There have been an increasing number of strange changes to the team, unusual selections and then there is Martin Woods." - perhaps a surprisingly pointed criticism from Alan, singling out one player, but a stinging criticism of JM's choice of a 'reliable core', along with Dacies & Curran.

I guess Alan's next visit to Dens may be met with a fairly frosty reception.

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Brilliant to see Martin Woods getting singled out in the national press. 

Imposter. 

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11 minutes ago, UWTB1893 said:

I don't think it was Alan Pattullo that wrote it, I think it was from Joel Sked. Still spot on regardless. 

EDIT: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/dundee/why-dundee-are-heading-for-relegation-from-the-scottish-premiership-1-4905805 

I guess a few of us saw the bold/underlined bit with Alan's name & took it as the article header....and it does read like it's written from a DFC background.

I suppose Alan will still get into Dens, then :)

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1 minute ago, WoodStein said:

I suppose Alan will still get into Dens, then :)

I don't know if he will thank or curse us for that 😂

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Is Joel Sked the guy from 'The Terrace'? 

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27 minutes ago, WeighorstsWang said:

Is Joel Sked the guy from 'The Terrace'? 

Yeah, that's him WW 

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2 hours ago, UWTB1893 said:

I don't think it was Alan Pattullo that wrote it, I think it was from Joel Sked. Still spot on regardless. 

EDIT: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/dundee/why-dundee-are-heading-for-relegation-from-the-scottish-premiership-1-4905805 

Maybe fed by Alan.

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I actually find the article embarrassing, not because it's not true but because I agree with almost all the points in the article. I think at the time it was pointed out McIntyre's sides being poor defensively and that's just what we've got, but hey Nelms did his homework so he must have know this 🤔😨

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Spot on. Can't argue with any  of it. Sums up Woods as well. A non event.  McCann broke it, starting last season and McIntyre turned  out not to be the man to fix it. Poor choice Mr Nelms. Lost our SPL  status and   lots of ticket sales. The fans  wont turn up to watch a losing side. Wehave slipped since Hartley's first season. Drastically.

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I agree with pretty much all of that article but only let down is that more of the team aren't mentioned so it can be pinned on the dressing room wall. I know it's cliché but any professional team criticised so harshly should be looking to prove folk wrong. Unfortunately we seem to be a team full of shitebags so not holding my breath.

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16 hours ago, GordonDee said:

Hard to argue with someone who is clearly a Dundee fan, the facts are the facts. We seemed to have hope for a while this season when we climbed off the bottom, that hope is all but gone, with most of us seeing no way we can win one game never mind the 4 that McIntyre says we need to survive. It looks like McIntyre will be manager next season no matter what the outcome is. Of course if we did get into a play-off (unlikely) against United and we lost, no manager could survive that surely?

You just know with Jim’s history combined with a tight budget, the type of negative third rate type of players that will be parachuted in.

I have never known the fans to be so despondent with the manager and J Nelms at the helm.

The future is bleak.

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A Good Article, that doesn't pull any punches ... DFC fans & supporters, really don't need any reminding, of what kind of season we've had :tears:

We all know where most of the blame (& reasons) lies. However, we have now 5 games to shape up...C'mon JM & his Players...DO IT !!    DFC :wub:

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Although I don’t necessarily disagree with anything that’s been said I have to confess surprise at such brutal and blunt criticism of Martin Woods appearing in a national newspaper. If I read such a public criticism of my job performance I’d be consulting a lawyer.

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8 minutes ago, GoatLord said:

Although I don’t necessarily disagree with anything that’s been said I have to confess surprise at such brutal and blunt criticism of Martin Woods appearing in a national newspaper. If I read such a public criticism of my job performance I’d be consulting a lawyer.

I do tend to agree with you. That stuff is perfectly fine on here, but putting that in a national print paper is stretching journalistic opinion a bit for for me.

I know some will reckon I'm being soft for that opinion though. 

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9 minutes ago, barkblue said:

I do tend to agree with you. That stuff is perfectly fine on here, but putting that in a national print paper is stretching journalistic opinion a bit for for me.

I know some will reckon I'm being soft for that opinion though. 

Absolutely agree with you. There are boundaries that have to be maintained. I’m actually astonished such comment has been propagated by a reputable newspaper. 

 

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29 minutes ago, GoatLord said:

Absolutely agree with you. There are boundaries that have to be maintained. I’m actually astonished such comment has been propagated by a reputable newspaper. 

 

I think it says a lot about where the print press are now that they maybe feel the only way to battle the online presence is to ask folk from that sphere to contribute to their papers and write/opinion in the same manner they do online. 

I think there's needs to be differential between the two.

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5 hours ago, Spiritof62 said:

You just know with Jim’s history combined with a tight budget, the type of negative third rate type of players that will be parachuted in.

I have never known the fans to be so despondent with the manager and J Nelms at the helm.

The future is bleak.

Spirit,

Not a pessimist by nature, once we get over the shock of the next few weeks, we will be back, if its in the championship it's got to be better than one home will all season- in the words of the famous song :
I get knocked down, but I get up again
You are never gonna keep me down
I get knocked down, but I get up again
You are never gonna keep me down
I get knocked down, but I get up again
You are never gonna keep me down

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This should be pinned up in every part of the Main Stand at Dens Park with its stinging points!!!! I would hope that it would cause a reaction from players/staff and the BOD to get their a*ses into gear and do something positive this season!!- The fans have done all we can!!!

However I sadly don't think it will!!!!

Good honest read though!

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