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'The Mood Has Been Great' . James McPake.

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Firstly, apologies if someone else has already added following link (I'm still catching up)...https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/the-mood-has-been-great/

I already watched/tried to listen, to his video comments...But being now a bit hard of hearing, it's much easier (& better) to read what he had to say.

Chances are, all of you will have either read this, or listened/watched video, but even so it's good to hear something good positive coming from DFC.

Although I am not advocating James is a shoe-in for the permanent role of DFC Manager, it's good to read/see/hear the respect he has for the Club.

Maybe at end of the day, we could do much worse. But whatever way it pans out, and we do want the best. It's good to know it's not all bad news:chaplin:

 

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I love McPake, he was an excellent captain for Dundee and an excellent coach. He was also brilliant with my nephew when he was a mascot, so one day I would love to see McPake as manager.

However, I just feel this might be too early for him. The job at Dundee is massive, not only the size of the club but the level of expectations from the stand, it’s a total rebuild job. 97% or more of Dundee managers end up getting sacked and very few are in a job today. I’d hate to see McPake management career being stopped because we rushed him into the job.

McPake has a done a great job with the U18’s. It’s time to maintain the coaching ‘buzz’ for him and move him from the Academy to the first team, perhaps a coach or assistant to our new manager. Learn the trade for 3/4 seasons and the demands of first-team management and hopefully, during that time we can be promoted from the championship and get rid of the sacking culture and create a plan for moving forward. I read a journalist saying that St Johnstone brought in Derek McInnes so why not hire McPake, however that is St Johnstone who aren’t a sacking culture of a club. A few supporters said no to Goodwin due to his inexperience, but he has been a manager of a first team before at a smaller club.

Even McCann was assistant manager to Jim Jefferies for a while to learn the trade at that level. 

I just don’t want to see McPake getting hurt by the brutal managerial culture this early on in his career.

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Don't get this ...'we want to finish the season on a high....'  stuff.

There is absolutely nothing that could finish a 2 sacked Mangers, 21 pt , automatic relegation season on a 'high'   

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I'm worried that we'll see a positive result on Saturday and an encouraging display and that that will be enough to see McPake being viewed as a serious contender for the job. I doubt that if Nelms asks for outside opinions on McPake that there will be many with anything negative to say and that might influence things further. I personally think that we need experience, with someone like Derek Adams probably the best we can realistically expect. I'd like to see McPake involved in some capacity at first team level though.

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10 minutes ago, Dondeh said:

Don't get this ...'we want to finish the season on a high....'  stuff.

There is absolutely nothing that could finish a 2 sacked Mangers, 21 pt , automatic relegation season on a 'high'   

If we played some kids and won convincingly it wouldn't change the fact that we're relegated to the Championship but it would send us away home with something positive to think about over the summer. It would be scant consolation but it's about all we can hope to take from a disastrous season. It may not be what we'd expect when talking about the highs in football but right now it's as high as things can possibly get.

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It would be very unfortunate for the club and McPake if a new manager brought in his own staff, as I think PH did, and decided to bin the current coaches. The considerable money we've invested in McPake getting his UEFA Coaching Licence would be down the pan. Hope whatever happens, he can continue his good work at our club.

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1 minute ago, Blue4evr said:

It would be very unfortunate for the club and McPake if a new manager brought in his own staff, as I think PH did, and decided to bin the current coaches. The considerable money we've invested in McPake getting his UEFA Coaching Licence would be down the pan. Hope whatever happens, he can continue his good work at our club.

I'm hoping with the portfolio of coaches that the club is building up that we can have a conveyor belt of some sorts with clear pathways to the first team. McPake & Irvine are obviously well known to us but others like McNaughton & Wright are here too. Hopefully these guys can be considered for the top team at some point down the line.

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I think the best for me,  was not only his sensible, thoughtful comments, it was also his quiet, respectful manner in conveying them, which tbh, I kinda expected of him. He came over as a person who's genuine & honest & appreciative of the Club & all that it has done for him, at a time when it could well have turned it''s back on him ... reflecting & reminding us at again, that there is still a little good, positive, decent news & feelings for DFC, & all the staff from top to bottom. And maybe next season could see a change of fortunes

Think the general feeling at this time, is that it may be a bit too early, to consider him as DFC manager ...

I would not disagree with that sentiment. But who really knows? He has proven in the past (as a player)

he has the right kind of qualities to be a winner. He now has the Qualifications ... Maybe being involved,

in a Club he loves and respects, & in turn think highly of him, is exactly where he should gain experience.

Nothing's going to be decided tomorrow, win or lose. But whatever future holds James, all the best:chaplin:

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Could McPake have same kind of impact at Dundee that Alex Neil had at Accies? It's certainly possible. He's an impressive character.

McIntyre's decade of experience proved worthless so maybe appointing a "proven" coach isn't necessary. We won't be coming up against the best teams and managers in this league so there is room for error.

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4 hours ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

I'm worried that we'll see a positive result on Saturday and an encouraging display and that that will be enough to see McPake being viewed as a serious contender for the job. I doubt that if Nelms asks for outside opinions on McPake that there will be many with anything negative to say and that might influence things further. I personally think that we need experience, with someone like Derek Adams probably the best we can realistically expect. I'd like to see McPake involved in some capacity at first team level though.

Totally agree Rev but some bookies have him joint favourite for the job even before he has taken charge of a game so they already appear to see him as a serious contender.  I really like McPake and he really seems to love the club. Would love to see him as manager some day but just don’t think the time is right at moment and think McPake himself  might well agree. Would hate to him being given the job and it all go pear shaped as he is A very likeable guy and think if we manage his coaching development properly he can be a real asset to the club at all levels for quite a few years. 

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I don't think any bookmakers are sitting down to discuss who will be next Dundee manager. The odds are often a direct result of betting patterns. Every time someone places a bet the odds automatically change to make sure the bookies don't lose money.

The current odds on McBookie are...

Adams 3/1
McPake 3/1
McCall 5/1
McInally 8/1
Shiels 8/1
Wieghorst 8/1
Goodwin 10/1
Miller 10/1

Those odds suggest to me that the club hasn't made a decision. When someone goes odds-on you know that something has probably been decided.

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36 minutes ago, Cobra said:

Could McPake have same kind of impact at Dundee that Alex Neil had at Accies? It's certainly possible. He's an impressive character.

McIntyre's decade of experience proved worthless so maybe appointing a "proven" coach isn't necessary. We won't be coming up against the best teams and managers in this league so there is room for error.

Maybe Cobra it would depend on having the right (experienced) person alongside him ... We know. And DFC know. There is a lot riding on getting this decision right. Although time is on their side. Maybe in James we do have half of the equation, right in front of us. It does look like DFC/BOD, this time, have at least learned from their past mistakes are approaching this process. in a cooler, calmer, more thoughtful, & professional manner. At least this time, circumstances mean there is no need for panic. Good Luck JN.

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McPake ruled himself out in his interview on Thursday, and said he didn't want to take the managers job out of respect for what the club has done for him.

From the way that Nelms was speaking the other day, the club will be looking for someone already proven and a lot more experienced than McPake.

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24 minutes ago, TheDarkBlues said:

McPake ruled himself out in his interview on Thursday, and said he didn't want to take the managers job out of respect for what the club has done for him.

From the way that Nelms was speaking the other day, the club will be looking for someone already proven and a lot more experienced than McPake.

Fully expect Kenny Miller to be announced on Monday then. 

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1 minute ago, TheDarkBlues said:

McPake ruled himself out in his interview on Thursday, and said he didn't want to take the managers job out of respect for what the club has done for him.

From the way that Nelms was speaking the other day, the club will be looking for someone already proven and a lot more experienced than McPake.

One thing we can say about Dundee John, is we never really know what they are up to ...

Maybe because they are good at keeping secrets, or simply that in the past, some of their decisions have made us question if they know themselves, exactly what they are up to. JN's recent interview appearance, I thought he showed up, pretty well (he looked a bit strained) But I'd be more troubled if he looked relaxed & assured. There are big decision to be made, and if he's stressed out a bit trying this time to get it right, I think fans will understand that, & even go along with that. He's certainly been ducking the bullets the last few weeks. But his job might become easier, if he is more open & in doing so, sees he does have the backing of all (most) of us.

He's allowed tae mak mistakes and cheenge his mind ... No' too often mind ... And no' too many (As lang as he checks wi us first) ;)

It looks like he's noo moved on from "Criteria & Winning Formula Period" & is showing more open-ness & flexibility. So who knows? :)

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50 minutes ago, Cobra said:

I don't think any bookmakers are sitting down to discuss who will be next Dundee manager. The odds are often a direct result of betting patterns. Every time someone places a bet the odds automatically change to make sure the bookies don't lose money.

The current odds on McBookie are...

Adams 3/1
McPake 3/1
McCall 5/1
McInally 8/1
Shiels 8/1
Wieghorst 8/1
Goodwin 10/1
Miller 10/1

Those odds suggest to me that the club hasn't made a decision. When someone goes odds-on you know that something has probably been decided.

McInally has apparently committed to Peterheid for next season as of this morning. Shiels was named manager of the NI womens team yesterday. I for one am thankful on both counts as neither one would've been a good appointment here, imo.

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Just now, Stampguy said:

McInally has apparently committed to Peterheid for next season as of this morning. Shiels was named manager of the NI womens team yesterday. I for one am thankful on both counts as neither one would've been a good appointment here, imo.

100% agree Stampguy. I actually like most of your comments. 😚

McInally spent this season in the bottom division and he's been at Peterhead for nearly a decade and had the extraordinary good luck to have a great striker like Rory McAllister, who doesn't want to go full-time. Why we'd want him at Dundee I have no idea.

Shiels in the mirror opposite of Klopp. He acts like a fan and lashes out at officials. We do not need that again after Alex Rae. Referees take a dislike to the team and players lose their discipline because their boss can't restrain himself.

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Cheers Cobra.

Yes McInally certainly hasn't overachieved at Peterhead as they've got a budget that really shouldn't see them ever fall into League 2, and they've spent the last few years yo-yo-ing between Leagues 1 and 2. If we're going lower league scottish manager then I can think of numerous I'd rather have before him.

As for Shiels - boy where do we start, the man's a loose cannon. Spends more time watching from the stands than he does the touchline. I wouldn't want him within a country mile of Dens. 

Needless to say when I heard they both had committed themselves elsewhere for the foreseeable I was pretty happy!

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4 minutes ago, Stampguy said:

Cheers Cobra.

Yes McInally certainly hasn't overachieved at Peterhead as they've got a budget that really shouldn't see them ever fall into League 2, and they've spent the last few years yo-yo-ing between Leagues 1 and 2. If we're going lower league scottish manager then I can think of numerous I'd rather have before him.

As for Shiels - boy where do we start, the man's a loose cannon. Spends more time watching from the stands than he does the touchline. I wouldn't want him within a country mile of Dens. 

Needless to say when I heard they both had committed themselves elsewhere for the foreseeable I was pretty happy!

Good stuff Stampguy. You politely told me you thought I was talking nonsense on another subject. We shut the conversation down. No hard feelings. I like it.

I hate when a disagreement between Dees leads to ongoing resentment. It's not necessary.

Back on topic and yeah those guys would have been awful appointments for Dundee IMO.

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1 hour ago, Cobra said:

I don't think any bookmakers are sitting down to discuss who will be next Dundee manager. The odds are often a direct result of betting patterns. Every time someone places a bet the odds automatically change to make sure the bookies don't lose money.

The current odds on McBookie are...

Adams 3/1
McPake 3/1
McCall 5/1
McInally 8/1
Shiels 8/1
Wieghorst 8/1
Goodwin 10/1
Miller 10/1

Those odds suggest to me that the club hasn't made a decision. When someone goes odds-on you know that something has probably been decided.

I would say you can't really read too much into the bookies odds on this as there will not be that many bets being placed on it so any bet that are placed could change things significantly.

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1 hour ago, TheDarkBlues said:

McPake ruled himself out in his interview on Thursday, and said he didn't want to take the managers job out of respect for what the club has done for him.

From the way that Nelms was speaking the other day, the club will be looking for someone already proven and a lot more experienced than McPake.

He didn't actually rule himself out. What he said was he did not want to discuss or think about anything beyond the St Mirren game just now as he has been given a job to do for a week and out of respect to the club wants to solely concentrate on that. 

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20 minutes ago, GordonDarkBlue said:

He didn't actually rule himself out. What he said was he did not want to discuss or think about anything beyond the St Mirren game just now as he has been given a job to do for a week and out of respect to the club wants to solely concentrate on that. 

That’s how I interpreted it too

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1 hour ago, Cobra said:

Good stuff Stampguy. You politely told me you thought I was talking nonsense on another subject. We shut the conversation down. No hard feelings. I like it.

I hate when a disagreement between Dees leads to ongoing resentment. It's not necessary.

Back on topic and yeah those guys would have been awful appointments for Dundee IMO.

Well maybe I came on a little strong that day. I actually saw your point of view I just disagreed with it mostly, but I could be wrong so thought we just move on from that one. I never like falling out with fellow Dees (I'm mean we're all in this together one way or another), but I really haven't felt close to having that happen on here. On P and B and Facebook some of the things that are said are sometimes shocking. And I must admit that when I'm at Dens there have been plenty of times that I've felt like rapping a fellow Dee right in the pus for some of the vile abuse that they are dishing out to our own players. 

Although I will admit that if I woke up the day to a - Kenny Shiels being introduced at Dens press conference - I may have flipped my wig on here. Thankfully it wasn't to be!

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