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Dundee V Peterhead Sat 20th July 2019

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18 minutes ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said:

What I never get is how come Dees, Hibs, Pars,  and both Saints have struggled against inferior and part time players when if these clubs start pre season roughly at same time, surely the quality will still win over perhaps simliar fitness levels.

It is, on the face of it, illogical, scotty   :spock:  

One factor I think has some (/a lot of) bearing is that these 'smaller' clubs generally don't have the finance to be making huge changes to their squads window-after-window, as those clubs you mention largely have (Saintees not so much, I think?). They have a nucleus of players who know each other well, a consistent 'system' & setup, and only a minimal turnover. 

Maybe we need to abandon the gap we used to know as 'close season', and just play for 12 months....if we have 24 players, 2 can be on holiday each month through the year....just like most 'real' businesses. [slightly :P, that last bit, to be clear]

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Dundee FC failing to score against, never mind beat Cove Rangers and Peterhead two games on the bounce is completely unacceptable any day of the week any year of our history.

Picking up a bonus point for being better at two part time outfits at penalties does not change this. It merely softens the blow.

The good news is, we have time to strengthen and we simply must. 

Hoping to see at least 4 or 5 signings including two forwards between now and Dunfermline away. 

The current squad is way short of what's required.

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Was a poor performance.

McDaid hasn't done much to impress me so far and was off the boil today.

Mulligan looked good in patches, turned the defender inside out a couple of times but on another occasion was very clumsy with the ball in the box.

Robertson was the best player on the park and was running our midfield. Was always available for a pass, was strong on the ball despite his size, dug in defensively and his passing and vision was excellent and something we have been missing for a long time with his through balls and switching the ball to the flanks. Most of the chances we had were due to his quick forward passing.

Nelson was marked out of the game

Curran looked good when he came on but I think he should have started the 2nd half and it might have made a difference.

Byrne and McGowan were decent

Back 4 were solid but I wasn't overly impressed with Marshall. He was mostly fine defensively, but looked really slow on the ball and refused to take it past an opposition player.

Hamilton had a good game and kept us in it with 1 v 1 in the 2nd half. Admittedly their attacker should have put it away and it was a poor shot straight at Hamilton, but he did well to make himself big and stand up to it.

Young Cunningham came on ad was ok. I thought he was a striker, but it looked like he was playing right mid.

Bare minimum, we need a quality striker, winger and 3-5 squad players as the only youngster I'm confident we can depend on is Robertson.

Add those signings and I think we will have a strong squad ready to challenge

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5 minutes ago, gblue said:

We must be bad when some of our fans are saying Curran play well 😂

Thought he did, he held the ball up better than against Cove. Won some important challenges high up the pitch as well. 

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Wonder how the Dunfermlne Forum is going this evening 🤣 🤣

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Positives: Hamilton, Forster, Meekings, Robertson especially (the lad is just quality for someone so young, oozes class in his passing and always available, never hides etc..)  gowser was decent too. Another clean sheet which will do wonders for jack’s confidence between the sticks.

Negatives: well... far too slow on the ball all game, urgency lacking from a few.. Mcdaid doesn’t look great but it’s early days for him, missing that creative spark against a well organised side and the one up top just didn’t work, really could have done with Curran coming on earlier to give Nelson that help up there..

echo the sentiments of needing at least 4-5 new faces in there, 2 strikers, another winger and a creative player in midfield..

positives that we are top of the section despite not being overwhelming in the last two games.. we move on and hope we see some new blood added to the squad this week

DDYB  

 

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12 minutes ago, Huggs66 said:

Wonder how the Dunfermlne Forum is going this evening 🤣 🤣

Marginally better than the St.Mirren one, I suspect :) 

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I thought Byrne slowed a lot of our play up today...nelson is wasted if we are gonna play like that week in week out...Mcdaid 1st thing he did today when getting the ball was stop and pass backwards......frustrating and boring as hell to watch...

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Just now, WoodStein said:

Marginally better than the St.Mirren one, I suspect :) 

WS, i guess you could be right there, Stats for St Mirren show they had 22 attempts on goal against East Kilbride and still lost on Penalties, glad to say we didnt get Goodwin.

 

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1 hour ago, Cobra said:

25 years ago there was a huge gulf in class between the stronger teams and the teams in the lower leagues. That gap doesn't exist anymore and hard work alone can make life difficult for the likes of Dundee and St Johnstone especially at this time of year when players are lacking sharpness.

I would expect us to comfortably beat Peterhead in the Scottish Cup later in the season because we'd be more fluid and our better players would be harder for them to stop.

Aye but surely the opposition are lacking the same sharpness and we are working as hard as them therefore skill should prevail. I know its simplistic but...

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As dissapointed tonight as I was delighted last week. Just knew from the first 5 mins that it was going to be a poor game. Really worrying that we're already relying on a 16yo boy for inspiration. If Mcallister hadn't have got injured then we would have lost that game. The general atmosphere in the Derry was really worrying as it wasn't good and was bordering on booing. We simply have to get 4 or 5 players. 

Hamilton - steady enough, clean sheets will be doing wonders for his confidence. Still to be convinced by him but hopeful. 

Marshall - plenty of effort but again still to be convinced. 

Meekings - played OK. Need to keep him fit. 

Forster - hmmmm. Played poor today. Distribution was woeful. Will get better imo. 

Kerr- thought he played decent. Crossing has improved but then again it couldn't have got any worse. Great engine on him. 

Byrne- quiet game. Missed Ness beside him. Rarely loses the ball and is another one who must stay fit. 

Robertson - keep forgetting he's only 16. Played well and was always looking for the right pass. Early days but looks a player. Needs to be managed though. 

Mcdaid -  was quiet today. Didn't get much service so will reserve judgement on him. 

Mulligan - felt sorry for the boy. Effort was there but was never going to be his day. On another day he/team might have performed better so at least he's getting experience. 

McGowan - thought he played well. We need him more than any other player at this moment in time. Heartbeat of the team. 

 Nelson- clearly needs help. Got frustrated today and was lucky not to get booked. Will score plenty goals if giving the service. 

The most worrying aspect of today was my son has already said he's not wanting to go to the Inverness game. It was a brutal game so can't really blame him. We simply must get players in now as can't keep expecting 16yo boys to step up. I would expect 3 or 4 signings this week as need to bed them in before the league starts. 

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28 minutes ago, charliedee said:

that was f**cking brutal...not much else to say.

A lot of extremely worried fans walking up the Provie Road after that DIRE, utterly inexcusable performance for the second game running, Zero goals scored against two part time teams, in 180 minutes played, only pass marks to young Finlay Robertson and Jack Hamilton, the rest of that pitiful lot, should look at themselves, in the mirror tonight and ask, did I do enough to earn my wages the past two games, answer NO and have I cheated the Dundee Supporters, with my pitiful displays, answer YES and to think, I and others are paying £20 more this season, than the last one, to watch that boring Crap, Ground Hog days all over again, Zero pace going forward from midfield yet again and that McDaid, never found a Dundee player, from his Laughable free kicks and struggles to get past players and get crosses in, total waste of a wage. To stay up and get to mid table, we require the minimum of 6 players, of better quality, than the ones signed up till now.

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McDaid for me was also useless at corners and free kicks.

Hopefully he'll end up like another Ralph and come good. 

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Anyone catch the attendance.

It looked really sparse and there was not much atmosphere. That can't help the players at all.

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12 minutes ago, J_Kitamirike said:

McDaid for me was also useless at corners and free kicks.

Hopefully he'll end up like another Ralph and come good. 

I quite enjoyed when he turned on the byline and played a perfectly weighted ball into his own box 🤣

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3 hours ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said:

If we cannot beat Peterhead then not confident v ICT next week. Thank god I will be at Liverpool v Napoli.

Dundee v Inverness or Liverpool v Napoli, no brainer isn't it?.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dens every day of the week.💙

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1 minute ago, Garageflower said:

Anyone catch the attendance.

It looked really sparse and there was not much atmosphere. That can't help the players at all.

2322 mate. Which I believe is actually less than the Blackpool friendly 😬

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4 minutes ago, Garageflower said:

Anyone catch the attendance.

It looked really sparse and there was not much atmosphere. That can't help the players at all.

How the f**k can you make an atmosphere with a performance like that...absolutely pathetic 

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