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Nelson/Johnson/Hemmings Are Recognised Goal Scorers


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Difficult Times calls for Difficult Decisions .... Most folk on here will know I can't get to live games now for a range of reasons. Add to that, although I've been going to watch live fitba games, of all kinds, for quite a long time, and ken the difference beteween a good player & a bad player ... And a good game & a bad game, I have never really got into  New Systems/Plans/Tactics. (As in life, I believe sometimes in an effort to improve things, we can end up over-complicate things. And I believe this might be the case (at times) in the World of Football)

Neil McCann was a fine fella, intelligent & articulate, & also proven & an experienced quality player. As a manager he was totally focused on what was required, to make a successful team & him a successful manager ... And then it all went wrong. At least in part (imo) because he was asking players to do (& understand) something which they were in the main. incapable of doing. Every player should be ambitious & open to learning & further development, but I am also a believer, in allowing a player to do what he is comfortable & best at .. using his natural skills & those skills which he has learned & further developed

Which bring us to the Three Names on the Topic Headline.

It's been proven in the past,  putting on front-line of top scoring forwards, goals will NOT automaticall follow (Even i know that)

NORMALLY I WOULD AGREE, WE NEED CREATIVE GOAL MAKERS, AS WELL AS GOAL SCORERS TO MAKE THIS WORK AT ALL.

But as a walk into the unknown, what might happen, if JPR put on 3 players mentioned above upfront, with simple instructions

to all three players "I want each of you to focus on one thing only: Putting that ball in the net"  I understand there is an obvious

difficulty, of then finding a balanced team that could also be strong in defence, whilst at same time supply the feed for front 3.

But for the sake of dicussion & to give those posters who have a real insight into the game (no me) if this was put to you, what

could you, would you, come up with? If you feel like responding. I would prefer to hear views of how this might work, rather than

dismissing it , as anither load of rambling nonsense fae that "Daft Auld Man" Yes, it could prove a real disaster...But on the other

hand, were I the opposition team facing 3 front men of that quality, who've proved they can score goals, I would feel intimidated.

The biggest, obvious problem as I see it, is finding a player(s) who can supply the front  men with the right kind of ammunition.

If Stewart was available, he could be the "missing link"

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On paper our front three look like the best forward line in the championship and perhaps even better than teams at the bottom of the premiership....

The biggest problem which everyone already knows about is the lack of chances we are creating. There is just no drive or support from the midfield.

When you look at our stats, when was the last time we had something like 18/20 attempts on goal? It's not even as though our forwards as missing great opportunities or open goals.

There is just nothing being created. 

No wonder the likes of Hemmings is looking fed up, I'd be too if I came back expecting to be scoring for fun with great service.

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14 minutes ago, J_Kitamirike said:

On paper our front three look like the best forward line in the championship and perhaps even better than teams at the bottom of the premiership....

The biggest problem which everyone already knows about is the lack of chances we are creating. There is just no drive or support from the midfield.

When you look at our stats, when was the last time we had something like 18/20 attempts on goal? It's not even as though our forwards as missing great opportunities or open goals.

There is just nothing being created. 

No wonder the likes of Hemmings is looking fed up, I'd be too if I came back expecting to be scoring for fun with great service.

Thanks for your response ... And it is difficult to disagree with your comments/assessment J-K.

However, although the practicalities of setting up a team with the 3 scoring forwards up-front, would give any manager a Huge Headache (& may well be an impossibility) maybe whilst emphasising to them that their duty today is to rack-up the goals today, he should also take aside, the midfield ... And doubly emphasise their respnsibility & their crucial role in supplying theit Target men ... As you so clearly state above freend.

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6 hours ago, J_Kitamirike said:

On paper our front three look like the best forward line in the championship and perhaps even better than teams at the bottom of the premiership....

The biggest problem which everyone already knows about is the lack of chances we are creating. There is just no drive or support from the midfield.

When you look at our stats, when was the last time we had something like 18/20 attempts on goal? It's not even as though our forwards as missing great opportunities or open goals.

There is just nothing being created. 

No wonder the likes of Hemmings is looking fed up, I'd be too if I came back expecting to be scoring for fun with great service.

Could not agree more.

We seem to have our 2/3 attempts on target per game and a few more on goal . (Not any better than last season really). 

And we sign a back up left back on deadline day?.

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6 hours ago, J_Kitamirike said:

On paper our front three look like the best forward line in the championship and perhaps even better than teams at the bottom of the premiership....

The biggest problem which everyone already knows about is the lack of chances we are creating. There is just no drive or support from the midfield.

When you look at our stats, when was the last time we had something like 18/20 attempts on goal? It's not even as though our forwards as missing great opportunities or open goals.

There is just nothing being created. 

No wonder the likes of Hemmings is looking fed up, I'd be too if I came back expecting to be scoring for fun with great service.

And here lies the problem that has been our painfully obvious  downfall since Stewart and Harkins left Dens.

We must have the longest list of midfielders of any club over the last 3 or 4 seasons and yet somehow we failed to find anyone capable of playing a defence splitting pass. Sideways, backwards or running around in circles, we’ve cornered the market, but someone who can thread a forward pass that opens up a defence...the search continues. 

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On 11/09/2019 at 10:44, J_Kitamirike said:

 

On paper our front three look like the best forward line in the championship and perhaps even better than teams at the bottom of the premiership....

 

Not sure this is entirely true, Nelson has not been a good signing to date, he was awful last season bar a couple of games and has not really done anything this season to say that is going to change. Johnstone has been moved on from a bottom 6 premiership club and has not stood out from the games I’ve watched this season. Hemmings 3 years ago was excellent for Dundee, full of confidence and likely to hit double figures in the top flight, this does not mean we will get the same player back.

 

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6 hours ago, BigG said:

Not sure this is entirely true, Nelson has not been a good signing to date, he was awful last season bar a couple of games and has not really done anything this season to say that is going to change. Johnstone has been moved on from a bottom 6 premiership club and has not stood out from the games I’ve watched this season. Hemmings 3 years ago was excellent for Dundee, full of confidence and likely to hit double figures in the top flight, this does not mean we will get the same player back.

 

I think Johnson has been really quite good in the games he's played. Lead the line incredibly well against Aberdeen, scored a perfectly good goal against United, won and scored a penalty against Dunfermline. He has, however, looked a little lost when paired up with Hemmings - and in general the service he's received has bee garbage.

Nelson scored a winner against Ayr and looked decent in the short run out he got that day and looked very lively against United - and took his goal well, which considering his lack of game time isn't a bad return.

Arguably, Hemmings is the one who has looked least effective in the games I've seen.

Personally I think the front line is the only department of the team that doesn't need strengthening.  

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1 hour ago, Blue4evr said:

If Liverpool can accommodate 3 forwards, why can't we. Much stronger league obviously but it's still 11 v 11. We'd probably get thrashed knowing us.

Because the other 8 Liverpool players are word class at what they do. We have the likes of Meekings humping it long to nobody. We could have 6 forwards up there but if we don't get the ball to them in the right areas we still won't score goals and we'll still lose more than we'll score.

Lots of teams say they play 4-3-3 these days but in reality most only really play with one proper striker (Liverpool are undoubtedly an exception). Some play with none up front. 

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13 minutes ago, barkblue said:

Because the other 8 Liverpool players are word class at what they do. We have the likes of Meekings humping it long to nobody. We could have 6 forwards up there but if we don't get the ball to them in the right areas we still won't score goals and we'll still lose more than we'll score.

Lots of teams say they play 4-3-3 these days but in reality most only really play with one proper striker (Liverpool are undoubtedly an exception). Some play with none up front. 

Liverpool's other players need to be world class because they're playing against class players at Man C, Chelsea etc. We're up against Ayr, Arbroath, Alloa etc. In theory if they can do it in their league we should be able to do it in ours. Couldn't imagine Klop having Salah and Mane on the bench. 

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