Fan Engagement With Those In Control At Dens

[Dee Forever]

The club needs the fans, the fans need a club to support. It seems there is a growing chasm between fans and those in control at DFC. 

It would seem some form of communication and engagement is required to find a way forward to improve the obvious apathy that has grown into the club. We are now plumbing new depths and the lack of direction or information is like death by a thousand cuts. 

Having asked for backing from fans and got it to an extent the board should engage the fans and be clear about future plans. The fans have had enough of false dawns and empty statements and I feel some real engagement is long overdue. 

Frustrating times. 

[Prince Buster]

Just now, Dee Forever said:

The club needs the fans, the fans need a club to support. It seems there is a growing chasm between fans and those in control at DFC. 

It would seem some form of communication and engagement is required to find a way forward to improve the obvious apathy that has grown into the club. We are now plumbing new depths and the lack of direction or information is like death by a thousand cuts. 

Having asked for backing from fans and got it to an extent the board should engage the fans and be clear about future plans. The fans have had enough of false dawns and empty statements and I feel some real engagement is long overdue. 

Frustrating times. 

They'll communicate with us again when it's time to dig deep for next season. We''ll get the usual sound bites, in the blood, new stadium, club needs us, about the moments etc.

Until then I'd expect silence.

[Reverend Lovejoy]

5 minutes ago, Dee Forever said:

The club needs the fans, the fans need a club to support. It seems there is a growing chasm between fans and those in control at DFC. 

It would seem some form of communication and engagement is required to find a way forward to improve the obvious apathy that has grown into the club. We are now plumbing new depths and the lack of direction or information is like death by a thousand cuts. 

Having asked for backing from fans and got it to an extent the board should engage the fans and be clear about future plans. The fans have had enough of false dawns and empty statements and I feel some real engagement is long overdue. 

Frustrating times. 

To be honest actions speak much louder than words. I've had my fill of empty promises and I guess I'm not the only one. A simple statement regarding the stadium and what stage were currently at would maybe be welcome though and some indication of their exit strategy if the unthinkable happened and the stadium fell through. We're pretty much all of the opinion I think that a collapse of the Campy venture would be the end of the road for the owners as their committing a slow financial suicide by continually bankrolling a business that's will never make money in a dilapidated ground that needs constant mantainance.

[expert]

Just now, Reverend Lovejoy said:

To be honest actions speak much louder than words. I've had my fill of empty promises and I guess I'm not the only one. A simple statement regarding the stadium and what stage were currently at would maybe be welcome though and some indication of their exit strategy if the unthinkable happened and the stadium fell through. We're pretty much all of the opinion I think that a collapse of the Campy venture would be the end of the road for the owners as their committing a slow financial suicide by continually bankrolling a business that's will never make money in a dilapidated ground that needs constant mantainance.

Yes, Rev. a simple statement would be welcome- Mind you, a cremmie is good business- business in  perpetuity.

[Reverend Lovejoy]

3 hours ago, expert said:

Yes, Rev. a simple statement would be welcome- Mind you, a cremmie is good business- business in  perpetuity.

I wouldn't be expecting a detailed PDF just a simple update. If the stadium is pie in the sky then the fans groups can maybe start to look at working on some contingency plans if the worst came to the worst and the yanks cut their losses.

[expert]

Agreed- Just the basic courtesy of updating the paying customers on the Stadium progress- not a huge  detailed report. I doubt if we fans are likely to get a whiff of bad news  which might turn away even more patg  fans  and make ST  holders think twice for next season .. I am on course for patg for next season  for selected games only . I have the feeling that if the Stadium and add ons  fail then we  will be looking for new owners  and the unthinkable..

[expert]

35 minutes ago, Prince Buster said:

They'll communicate with us again when it's time to dig deep for next season. We''ll get the usual sound bites, in the blood, new stadium, club needs us, about the moments etc.

Until then I'd expect silence.

Agreed.We might get served some crumbs of info. in an attempt to appease us  until  ST  time is upon us .  

[Gedee]

Not taking away the deserved credit for the continued investment FPS (Americans) have put into DFC, it looks like  for either them, or for us, it has not brought the returns hoped for ...either at a financial level, success as a team, growing enthusiastic support. In fact it has been the opposite in every example mentioned (imo) It would seem the morale of DFC fans/supporters (weel as reflected here on the forum) has never been lower ... Again, it is only my opinion & I am feeling very low these last few days/weeks.

Fan Engagement, or even basic communication has been noticeable by it's absence from JN & those leading the gentle charge ... I am not sure where this "gentle charge" is going mind. However, I do not see any change in the near future, whereby JN will decide to keep us updated on any issues pertaining to Dundee's progress, or lack of.

I am not at all sure the Campie Project will ever come about. And if this is the case, I would not expect the Americans to hang around. Where that leaves us, I have absolutely no idea. If this is a posibilty, I would seriously like to hear some ideas from others as to, where we would go from here.

As it stands just now, I doubt, we ar an inviting prospect for any other potential investor. It feels to me, there does seem to be something wrong at Dens just now, maybe both on & off the park.  If it is a manager/players issue it has to be fixed as soon as possible.

(Apologies, I accept I've went off track again)

 

[Donny O]

If Only the Marrs kept to their original  plan they had with Jocky and didn't have that "Bright Idea" with Bonetti (Although Brilliant as it was)

They held regular fan engagement meetings and consulted fans re stuff like the club shop,strips etc

They knew how important things like that are and its  definitely a benefit of having Local Owners.

If they had stayed to their script im sure we would have had 4 smart stands at Dens  oh well wasn't to be.!!

Think the current owners will put us in troubled waters on current evidence.-Hope im wrong but I cant see us getting out of this pickle without new faces at board level.

[Reverend Lovejoy]

2 hours ago, Gedee said:

Not taking away the deserved credit for the continued investment FPS (Americans) have put into DFC, it looks like  for either them, or for us, it has not brought the returns hoped for ...either at a financial level, success as a team, growing enthusiastic support. In fact it has been the opposite in every example mentioned (imo) It would seem the morale of DFC fans/supporters (weel as reflected here on the forum) has never been lower ... Again, it is only my opinion & I am feeling very low these last few days/weeks.

Fan Engagement, or even basic communication has been noticeable by it's absence from JN & those leading the gentle charge ... I am not sure where this "gentle charge" is going mind. However, I do not see any change in the near future, whereby JN will decide to keep us updated on any issues pertaining to Dundee's progress, or lack of.

I am not at all sure the Campie Project will ever come about. And if this is the case, I would not expect the Americans to hang around. Where that leaves us, I have absolutely no idea. If this is a posibilty, I would seriously like to hear some ideas from others as to, where we would go from here.

As it stands just now, I doubt, we ar an inviting prospect for any other potential investor. It feels to me, there does seem to be something wrong at Dens just now, maybe both on & off the park.  If it is a manager/players issue it has to be fixed as soon as possible.

(Apologies, I accept I've went off track again)

 

We could sell tomatoes to start a rainy day fund.

[BCram]

My view, for what it's worth, is that the supporters are already communicating with one another and it would not take much for the club to post on this Forum and Dundee Mad. No press conference, no glossy brochures, just a few words of update.  Don't think an ongoing discussion is a good idea, but some statement of fact might actually work for them.

As an example,

The board have complete confidence in James McPake as manager. It was accepted at the outset that this season would be one of transition and the appointment of Jimmy Nicholl and Dave McKay was a conscious strategy to help our young manager to develop. Results have not been as encouraging as we had hoped but we have faith in the ability of our players and the management team to reach the promotion playoff stages at the end of the season.

[Prince Buster]

3 hours ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

I wouldn't be expecting a detailed PDF just a simple update. If the stadium is pie in the sky then the fans groups can maybe start to look at working on some contingency plans if the worst came to the worst and the yanks cut their losses.

Fans groups - well one of them - tried to offer the club a fundraising option that would benefit the club immediately and would contribute to a 'rainy day fund' just in case. The club (John Nelms and Ian Crighton) refused point blank to entertain it. It would have been managed by the fans group and the largest %age of funds raised would have gone to the club.

The sticking point? Not entirely sure because it was effectively the possibility of money for nothing and the management of it would have been entirely by the fans group who would also carry any risk. I believe, and this is only my opinion, that the club believes all money spent by fans in the name of the club should go direct to the club and not to any future management fund. This sounds good because it suggests they see no need for a rainy day fund, I'm not so sure of course. There is also the issue of IP, although if I'm honest I believe that one is simply heels being dug in and an excuse to be big brother; it costs nothing to let a fans group say 'supported by Dundee FC' and to display the official club badge. It's not like we're talking Microsoft or Apple FFS.

But then they proved by withdrawing the rights to broadcast the matches without notification or justification just how they go about their business.