Billy Campbell's Ghost Posted 13 February 2020 Report Share Posted 13 February 2020 13 minutes ago, BCram said: PB spot on. That's been the problem and it does not only apply to DFC so it really isn't something that makes the board unusual or unthinking or blinkered. Seems to me that the best way to support the club is to buy a Season Ticket and if that isn't feasible PATG whenever you can. You get something back when you go in the form of an experience. That's not been a terrific transaction so far this season but hope springs eternal and maybe we are turning a corner. Yip. Buy a season ticket if you can afford it, whether you go or not. Its the nearest thing to being a member of DFC. I do think that innovative schemes will come along when the new stadium is built. Until then just go and support the team. I have mentioned the Dab Foundation and I know the guys who run it, in fact we go to Scotland games together and socialise as families so I know them and the scheme well. They said if they knew how hard it would be to organise they would not have done it. The Hearts one worked in a wealthier city with a bigger support and a high profile MP as their figure head. i dunno if we could do the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCram Posted 13 February 2020 Report Share Posted 13 February 2020 25 minutes ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said: Yip. Buy a season ticket if you can afford it, whether you go or not. Its the nearest thing to being a member of DFC. I do think that innovative schemes will come along when the new stadium is built. Until then just go and support the team. I have mentioned the Dab Foundation and I know the guys who run it, in fact we go to Scotland games together and socialise as families so I know them and the scheme well. They said if they knew how hard it would be to organise they would not have done it. The Hearts one worked in a wealthier city with a bigger support and a high profile MP as their figure head. i dunno if we could do the same. Interesting insight BCG. Maybe we should try to study both approaches and see if we can work out the best idea for our situation. Might be something that is more easily done in private rather than an open discussion on this forum. Be interesting to understand the differences between Dee4Life Trust set up and the Arabtrust setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Lovejoy Posted 13 February 2020 Report Share Posted 13 February 2020 1 hour ago, BCram said: Seems to me that the best way to support the club is to buy a Season Ticket and if that isn't feasible PATG whenever you can. Correct but that involves a considerable cash outlay. Cobra's suggestion of something like £5 per month might be more doable. Signing up for the DFC lottery, as I suggested in an earlier post, would cost £1 per week, or £4 per month and have even more chance of attracting decent numbers. Any wins could be pulled and split between the youths and on running this site. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Campbell's Ghost Posted 13 February 2020 Report Share Posted 13 February 2020 1 hour ago, BCram said: Interesting insight BCG. Maybe we should try to study both approaches and see if we can work out the best idea for our situation. Might be something that is more easily done in private rather than an open discussion on this forum. Be interesting to understand the differences between Dee4Life Trust set up and the Arabtrust setup. Its the Dundee United Supporters Foundation www.dusf.scot Think that is different from the Arab Trust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Campbell's Ghost Posted 13 February 2020 Report Share Posted 13 February 2020 Foundation of Hearts membership fluctuates around the 7500 mark and have raised almost £10 million, and have now paid Anne Budge back her loan. If they keep that level going they will be a huge asset to them once fan owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCram Posted 13 February 2020 Report Share Posted 13 February 2020 1 hour ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said: Its the Dundee United Supporters Foundation www.dusf.scot Think that is different from the Arab Trust. Quite right BCG. Interesting difference of attitude between United's American owners and our American owners. Not making any comment about there being a right way to deal with fan based organisations but maybe food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkblue Posted 13 February 2020 Report Share Posted 13 February 2020 2 hours ago, Reverend Lovejoy said: Correct but that involves a considerable cash outlay. Cobra's suggestion of something like £5 per month might be more doable. Signing up for the DFC lottery, as I suggested in an earlier post, would cost £1 per week, or £4 per month and have even more chance of attracting decent numbers. Any wins could be pulled and split between the youths and on running this site. All suggestions are good suggestions and the next comment is purely personal opinion. However I would prefer investment raised here not to go to the youth set up and I mean that with all due respect to those involved in that side of things, both in terms of coaching, organising and fund raising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Lovejoy Posted 14 February 2020 Report Share Posted 14 February 2020 12 hours ago, barkblue said: All suggestions are good suggestions and the next comment is purely personal opinion. However I would prefer investment raised here not to go to the youth set up and I mean that with all due respect to those involved in that side of things, both in terms of coaching, organising and fund raising. I suppose we could say that money raised should go into any area that we agree is most worthy of investment, other than satisfying our desire to have some control over any investment it won't really achieve too much though as we know that the owners could divert some of their investment away from our chosen area or simply withdraw a similar amount of their own cash to lessen their hit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Campbell's Ghost Posted 14 February 2020 Report Share Posted 14 February 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, barkblue said: All suggestions are good suggestions and the next comment is purely personal opinion. However I would prefer investment raised here not to go to the youth set up and I mean that with all due respect to those involved in that side of things, both in terms of coaching, organising and fund raising. Pre US owners, the Dabs directors did not want to have anything to do with their Foundation as they felt it undermined them as businessmen managing the club. Maybe thats Nelms view too. I am sure we have accountants, lawyers, business people on here who could contribute to running a Foundation but is the appetite there? perhaps it's a case of DFCSS reinventing itself with a new ID and launch but importantly to some, new faces running it and new objectives. Where we need another appetite is from us the fans to contribute, be patient as the fund builds and not have hissy fits every time the team loses and cancel payments. Hearts will share this knowledge with us, I know. Edited 14 February 2020 by Billy Campbell's Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buster Posted 14 February 2020 Report Share Posted 14 February 2020 13 minutes ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said: perhaps it's a case of DFCSS reinventing itself with a new ID and launch but importantly to some, new faces running it and new objectives. Where we need another appetite is from us the fans to contribute, be patient as the fund builds and not have hissy fits every time the team loses and cancel payments. Why new faces running it? People will complain about those running it regardless of who is in what position. Certain people still dredge up stories of when we were fan owned citing 'blazer chasing' and speak about DFCSS as if the same group of people were heading it now as were then - with one notable and unfortunate exception it's completely different people. Those running the society now have a love of the club at heart, are not looking to take over the club and are trying to work with the board. Changing out the DFCSS leadership right now just to facilitate a fan's fund raising effort would be counter productive and could set the relationship with the board back by years. The objectives of the society are embedded in its constitution and are the right objectives for such a society, these must never be changed. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wattie Rojas Posted 14 February 2020 Report Share Posted 14 February 2020 I heard the utd foundation spent £25k on its website! Surely you just set up a bank account and have fans pay into it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Campbell's Ghost Posted 14 February 2020 Report Share Posted 14 February 2020 7 minutes ago, Wattie Rojas said: I heard the utd foundation spent £25k on its website! Surely you just set up a bank account and have fans pay into it? Maybe, but you do need a shop window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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