PolarBear Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 Everyone should be promoted and relegated if they decide to hand the titles out now, there has to be fairness through all four leagues. Not the shambles of stopping relegation from the top league to save Hearts but other clubs at the bottom go down. Every team should be treated equally. As for those in playoff positions how on earth do they sort that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 It would be hilarious if Hearts were relegated, except they might run away with the title next season. As for the Arabs I'd feel more sympathy for them if season was null and void, not sure why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackyjim Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 If the season is declared null and void then expect to see Tannadice become an important paracetamol distribution centre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troodee1893 Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 Don't think there is any chance season will be declared Null & Void. Probable outcome is to declare season done and promote and relegate accordingly. That leaves us out of the picture because there are no circumstances that I can see where playoffs can be played and short of drawing lots which wont happen we are likely to be in the Championship next season with Hearts. As for League reconstruction I really can't see it happening, the need for 4 Septic/Sevco games being a priority and even if it did happen 14 is likely as far as they would go, so I suppose it is down to our own fault for not being at least second at the break up imo. I suppose if the lockdown continues until the end of the summer and even with a reduced preseason there may a need for a reduced season next year to get back on track. Maybe then a 16 team League could happen but I doubt it. I would start the new season with an albeit gimmicky League cup (42 League sides +2) where 4 teams play in a group all in one day at one venue, knock out or shortened game mini league set up with the winners and 5 best runners-up i.e. 16 left doing a similar thing a few weeks later to get down to the semis after only two game days (can see problems with crowd segregation though!!). My thoughts on the matter are that despite hating the DABs with a vengeance I cant get worked up about them winning the League by default being or whatever, being so far ahead, when folk are losing their lives to this hideous virus. Just want it all over and get back to some form of normality family & social wise. If at the end of it Dundee FC still exist then I would be happy enough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastiano Nela Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 As much as i detest that lot across the road, to declare the season null and void with no promotion would be absolute madness. Hence why the beaks running (ruining) our game will probably go for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 10 hours ago, WeighorstsWang said: Exact same boat. It's not so much them going up I just think its exceptionally unfair on Hearts to be relegated. Same with Falkirk not getting a chance at the title despite only being one point behind with numerous games left (they have the 'easier' run in, too). Not really getting why some people (ex St Mirren chairman for example) have been arguing that this is some sort of conspiracy to save Hearts. Last season, St Mirren were bottom at the same point. 4 points at this stage is absolutely nothing, especially with the way Scottish Football works, I'd also be aggrieved if Inverness were picked for promotion and ourselves and Ayr were disregarded - even solving that could see Dunfermline, Arbroath and Morton arguing that strong finishes would put them in with a shot at making the play-off. For me, we either void or resume. The alternative to that and winners/relegation being declared is reconsutrction and I really don't see how that works. If we were quite accommodating at the top end and said we'd promote almost everyone in with a shot at top flight football, it then massively fucks the teams left who have lost substantial levels of income, there's no way to do it without some clubs being big losers - we may as well play a 42 team league and then redefine the leagues from there! I still think this season will resume tbh. European football is just too lucrative to ignore and I think UEFA will push towards finishing this season and then expediting the competition next term. Once that happens, you'd think the big leagues would fall in line and that would give us something to follow. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastiano Nela Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 5 minutes ago, harry94 said: Not really getting why some people (ex St Mirren chairman for example) have been arguing that this is some sort of conspiracy to save Hearts. Last season, St Mirren were bottom at the same point. 4 points at this stage is absolutely nothing, especially with the way Scottish Football works, I'd also be aggrieved if Inverness were picked for promotion and ourselves and Ayr were disregarded - even solving that could see Dunfermline, Arbroath and Morton arguing that strong finishes would put them in with a shot at making the play-off. For me, we either void or resume. The alternative to that and winners/relegation being declared is reconsutrction and I really don't see how that works. If we were quite accommodating at the top end and said we'd promote almost everyone in with a shot at top flight football, it then massively fucks the teams left who have lost substantial levels of income, there's no way to do it without some clubs being big losers - we may as well play a 42 team league and then redefine the leagues from there! I still think this season will resume tbh. European football is just too lucrative to ignore and I think UEFA will push towards finishing this season and then expediting the competition next term. Once that happens, you'd think the big leagues would fall in line and that would give us something to follow. I'd rather see us use this as an opportunity to radically change the way our leagues are structured. The current 4 league set up is ridiculous IMO. I'd actually go ever further and suggest going to summer football at the same time. If we are going to do something radical, now is the time to do it. Not that i truly believe any of the above will actually happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Posted 3 April 2020 Author Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 Scotland's chief medical officer said that restrictions will remain in place for at the very least three months. That I think means that the earliest we can realistically resume the football season is sometime in July. Any kind of extended lockdown pushes us into August and I just can't see us playing 8, 9, 10 games in August, September and then immediately kicking off another season. Eventually we're going to have to follow the Belgians and accept this season is done and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 1 hour ago, Cobra said: Scotland's chief medical officer said that restrictions will remain in place for at the very least three months. That I think means that the earliest we can realistically resume the football season is sometime in July. Any kind of extended lockdown pushes us into August and I just can't see us playing 8, 9, 10 games in August, September and then immediately kicking off another season. Eventually we're going to have to follow the Belgians and accept this season is done and move on. If I understand it correctly, the SPFL and Scottish Cup stopped with 10 weeks of competition remaining. Elsewhere, we can maybe push that to 11 weeks given the CL and EL finals were scheduled to be a few days after our end to the season and some matches were missed. If teams are returning to pre-season training my September, they could have a 3-4 week pre-season (which could be helpful to the authorities in taking a bit of time to stagger the police and emergency services back to normality) and aim to resume competitive fixtures by Saturday 3rd October. That would then give us the opportunity for finishing our domestic set-up and the European competitions by the new year which would ordinarily be around the exact half-way point of our normal season. We could then take another 3-4 week pre-season (we have a winter break and there would be plenty of free midweeks) and then expedite the cup competitions (the league cup group stage could be eliminated or the competition either removed entirely) and just half the league calendar for a one off half season to run us into the summer and back to normal. Financial settlement and rewards taken as some sort of average over the two terms and reduced in gulf between the two divisions to assist with budgeting. For what it's worth, there's (sort of) a precedent for a Scottish season being suspended in the past - the 1939 season was finished in completion in 1947. I have a wee suspicion that UEFA and the big leagues may well be looking at 2022 World Cup in Qatar and there may well be the suggestion that we should just switch to a summer football calendar for the next few seasons as a trial - they could even use this as an excuse to trial a big European club competition to aid a transition back at some point in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dblair Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 2 hours ago, harry94 said: For me, we either void or resume. For me also it boils down to this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campbell Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 I cant see any chance of resuming the season and therefore logically the only conclusion would be to accept all current positions as final, however, I struggle to find when logic was ever applied to do with Scottish Football from the authorities who run our game. FWIW I couldn't give a sh*t about u'td , its more important we keep ourselves safe from the virus and come out the other end and eventually get back tae the fitba. Keep safe everyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sensible Posted 3 April 2020 Report Share Posted 3 April 2020 2 hours ago, Sebastiano Nela said: I'd rather see us use this as an opportunity to radically change the way our leagues are structured. The current 4 league set up is ridiculous IMO. I'd actually go ever further and suggest going to summer football at the same time. If we are going to do something radical, now is the time to do it. Not that i truly believe any of the above will actually happen. 100 percent agree on summer football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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