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Hartley is a level up completely on McCann and McPake. One bad window cost him, otherwise we'd still have a good manager. I'd have him back in a minute over the dross we've appointed since he left. 

He does deserve a good reception.  He had a good 18-24 months as Dundee manager but after that the wheels well and truly came off. It wasn't just a bad window it was stubbornness to abandon a phi

Best manager this century but he cut his nose off to spite his face when he pushed Harkins out the door.

Hartley was in charge when we won on pens at Balmoral a year ago. Drawing 0-0 v Cove and Peterhead was ok last year because we were able to beat ICT.

Starting in our usual sluggish way won't be good enough this year.

 

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A couple of results from last season...

Annan 6-1 Cove

Stirling 1-7 Cove

Never change PH. Never change.

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Best manager this century but he cut his nose off to spite his face when he pushed Harkins out the door.

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2 minutes ago, Cobra said:

Best manager this century but he cut his nose off to spite his face when pushed Harkins out the door.

Harkins was asked to take a pay cut, whilst the 2 ICT non-entities were quite open about how much they were getting paid, which was more than our best players. Harkins was rightly annoyed, but went about things the wrong way. 

No real surprise it went sour. Hartley should not have had to deal with the contractual side of things,  it's another example of John Nelms ineptitude unfortunately. 

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19 minutes ago, Alexis said:

Hartley is a level up completely on McCann and McPake. One bad window cost him, otherwise we'd still have a good manager. I'd have him back in a minute over the dross we've appointed since he left. 

He deserves a good reception whenever he's at Dens. 

Interesting thought Alexis. Like you I agree that he had more to offer than McCann, McIntyre and also McPake, however, after the Aberdeen embarrassment when we got truly pummelled at home to the tune of 7 zip live on Tv, then followed that by a defeat away to Hamilton,  his time was up. I’m convinced we would have got relegated that season if he had been given the final five games. The Harkins fiasco at the start of the season was the beginning of the end for PH, Harkins was the leader in the dressing room and the fans loved him but most importantly it was what he brought onto the pitch, we have subsequently never replaced him with anyone near his guile. 

The games up if Dundee FC are worried about Cove Rangers.

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27 minutes ago, Alexis said:

Harkins was asked to take a pay cut, whilst the 2 ICT non-entities were quite open about how much they were getting paid, which was more than our best players. Harkins was rightly annoyed, but went about things the wrong way. 

No real surprise it went sour. Hartley should not have had to deal with the contractual side of things,  it's another example of John Nelms ineptitude unfortunately. 

Never heard that side of the story re pay cut for Harkins. I did hear he was open to PH about Williams and Vincent’s lack of quality... He was proved more than correct as both were terrible signings.

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52 minutes ago, Alexis said:

Hartley is a level up completely on McCann and McPake. One bad window cost him, otherwise we'd still have a good manager. I'd have him back in a minute over the dross we've appointed since he left. 

He deserves a good reception whenever he's at Dens. 

He does deserve a good reception. 

He had a good 18-24 months as Dundee manager but after that the wheels well and truly came off. It wasn't just a bad window it was stubbornness to abandon a philosophy that we didn't have players capable of playing to. 

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21 minutes ago, Dundeefc1783 said:

He does deserve a good reception. 

He had a good 18-24 months as Dundee manager but after that the wheels well and truly came off. It wasn't just a bad window it was stubbornness to abandon a philosophy that we didn't have players capable of playing to. 

His first big mistake came in 2015 when he let Jim Mac walk away. The Hemmings/Stewart partnership papered over the cracks but when KT, McGinn, Harkins, Stewart and Hemmings left in 2016 we were in real trouble.

I felt at the time Hartley was way too pessimistic when he said Stewart and Hemmings were irreplaceable but I think he knew then the writing was on the wall.

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1 hour ago, Alexis said:

Hartley is a level up completely on McCann and McPake. One bad window cost him, otherwise we'd still have a good manager. I'd have him back in a minute over the dross we've appointed since he left. 

He deserves a good reception whenever he's at Dens. 

Falkirk fans will disagree with you..

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15 minutes ago, bp33 said:

Falkirk fans will disagree with you..

Great point. He was abysmal at Falkirk.

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