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I am aware politics is not acceptable on this forum ... And rightly imo.

So some might wonder why I've started the topic above. But the more I read the comments of  the man, the more I admire his intelligence, and what I see as his neutrality. Others I accept will see this/him differently. But where in my view, it is near impossible to take a fair-minded ,neutral stance, when it comes to comment/opinions/conversations/debates/ discussions, around political issues, I think, not only does he manage to do this.... He is away ahead of any other politcal commentator.

If this topic is allowed to continue, for obvious reasons, it is not my intention to mention any Political Party, it is simply ... I just wonder if other agree?

His particular comment which caught my eye, came from his recent comments .... (Online STV Politics)

"When people become entrenched in their views, objectivity is the first casualty quickly followed by perspective. And when the more conspiratorially minded detonate their imaginations, it can all get a bit silly" ....

I thought this was particularly relevant, with the closing down of a recent post on here, which did in fact (imo) become to personal.

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This forum needs a thread that meanders without people falling out. I was disappointed that the covid 19 thread was closed. It didn't seem to me that there was any abuse of posters. As someone wh

Just focus his qualities, or otherwise, as a person & political editor. Is he good, brilliant, bad, terrible or just OK? The same as every TV and Radio pundit - good when he says something th

Thanks for your response BC, although I genuinely, disagree with your short assessment. I think we all know political comments & discussions etc. are probably at the top of everyone's list,

This the link to the comments https://news.stv.tv/opinion/alex-salmond-casts-a-long-shadow-on-many-fronts?top

If I am crossing the political line here on the forum ... Then just delete the whole topic/thread (no harm done)

But please bear in mind. I am NOT trying to make any political point or push my own political view on anyone.

Just focus his qualities, or otherwise, as a person & political editor. Is he good, brilliant, bad, terrible or just OK?

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Just focus his qualities, or otherwise, as a person & political editor. Is he good, brilliant, bad, terrible or just OK?

The same as every TV and Radio pundit - good when he says something that you agree with and all the other descriptions depending on how much you disagree with what is said.

 

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28 minutes ago, BCram said:

Just focus his qualities, or otherwise, as a person & political editor. Is he good, brilliant, bad, terrible or just OK?

The same as every TV and Radio pundit - good when he says something that you agree with and all the other descriptions depending on how much you disagree with what is said.

 

Thanks for your response BC, although I genuinely, disagree with your short assessment.

I think we all know political comments & discussions etc. are probably at the top of everyone's list, when it comes to turning into heated exchanges, fights/insults etc. I am NOT gonna name any political party, or member of any party, or anyone on here on the forum, who has strong, long-held political views.opinions, convictions.

Maybe it is just about not possible to remain cool & calm on some issues. Or I am not making my point very well ...

I am suggesting in the main he takes a fair & intelligent neutral stance ... And for that he has earned my respect (for what it's worth) ... As a further point, when political "discussions" (I use that word with great deal of hesitation) There were understandably some on here, who held views, which were totally opposite my own....And why shouldn't they?

But there were some members at times (like some political TV Pundits) who are not only happy to show their true colours, but to openly attempt todrive home their points, without any thoughts or care, that there might be two sides to any discussion or argument.

No sooking up freend ... But I will add...

Although I'm pretty sure our own political views may be coming from different places, I can't remember ever feeling any reasons to fall out with you. And there are of course, some others of course in the same mould with different politcal opinions, who are not only willing to listen, but also & consistently, make some interesting points, that were worth reading & listening to and maybe even worth taking on board

Some others however, for me anyway :interest: Were very easily avoided:chaplin:

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Soon TV political commentaors won't be needed. Blogs and the internet will terrorise everyone into submission.

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4 hours ago, Gedee said:

Thanks for your response BC, although I genuinely, disagree with your short assessment.

I think we all know political comments & discussions etc. are probably at the top of everyone's list, when it comes to turning into heated exchanges, fights/insults etc. I am NOT gonna name any political party, or member of any party, or anyone on here on the forum, who has strong, long-held political views.opinions, convictions.

Maybe it is just about not possible to remain cool & calm on some issues. Or I am not making my point very well ...

I am suggesting in the main he takes a fair & intelligent neutral stance ... And for that he has earned my respect (for what it's worth) ... As a further point, when political "discussions" (I use that word with great deal of hesitation) There were understandably some on here, who held views, which were totally opposite my own....And why shouldn't they?

But there were some members at times (like some political TV Pundits) who are not only happy to show their true colours, but to openly attempt todrive home their points, without any thoughts or care, that there might be two sides to any discussion or argument.

No sooking up freend ... But I will add...

Although I'm pretty sure our own political views may be coming from different places, I can't remember ever feeling any reasons to fall out with you. And there are of course, some others of course in the same mould with different politcal opinions, who are not only willing to listen, but also & consistently, make some interesting points, that were worth reading & listening to and maybe even worth taking on board

Some others however, for me anyway :interest: Were very easily avoided:chaplin:

Aye, some find it difficult not to wear their heart on their sleeve on a variety of issues.

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This forum needs a thread that meanders without people falling out. I was disappointed that the covid 19 thread was closed. It didn't seem to me that there was any abuse of posters.

As someone who doesn't use the Internet much as a news source I found it interesting that there were so many sightings of extraterrestrial beings or phenomena. 

I have been wondering about the role the Internet plays in how we think about things. Certainly mainstream news media sources have dropped their standards IMO. You see Joe public being encouraged to talk about their personal experiences and there is never any constructive questioning. It's like expecting a Dundee United supporter to give a sensible analysis of the Doon Derby and believing that the truth has been spoken! 

Hopefully we'll get back to polite discussion with a bit of humour. 

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6 hours ago, BCram said:

This forum needs a thread that meanders without people falling out. I was disappointed that the covid 19 thread was closed. It didn't seem to me that there was any abuse of posters.

As someone who doesn't use the Internet much as a news source I found it interesting that there were so many sightings of extraterrestrial beings or phenomena. 

I have been wondering about the role the Internet plays in how we think about things. Certainly mainstream news media sources have dropped their standards IMO. You see Joe public being encouraged to talk about their personal experiences and there is never any constructive questioning. It's like expecting a Dundee United supporter to give a sensible analysis of the Doon Derby and believing that the truth has been spoken! 

Hopefully we'll get back to polite discussion with a bit of humour. 

Yourself (And many others I'm sure) will not be surprised, I would certainly agree with your opening comment BC. ...I like a bit of meandering

But that said, I can understand the problems that can ensue when that happens. Not only for other posters, but for Admin John, who is left (with his supporting mods) to fix the "problem" ....especially when the fun gets out of hand and for some reason it all gets very personal & nasty.

I put most of the blame on Chomp ... As a fellow travelling space cadet, when we travelled together around the Universe, I always got the impression he was a steady, friendly, fair minded, sensible person, who could add charm & a calming perspective & solution to any heated situation.

It all however seemed to go totally wrong for him, when he met and became obsessed & infatuated with thon "Strange Green Skinned Lassie" fae some unknown planet.

I also agree with your closing line freend ... "Hopefully we'll get back to polite discussion with a bit of humour"

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41 minutes ago, Johnsontvc said:

Great post, a lot of stuff in here i did not know about 
 

Hello Johnsontvc ... And Welcome to the Forum.

I am not sure if you are referring to the OP Topic, or whether it refers to the posts in general. But either way, I appreciate your comment.  I'm pretty sure the main credit goes for the comments & analysis of Bernard Ponsoby. The topic was never meant to be about a focus on his politics .... Or for that matter anyone elses politics or political opinions on here.

(On past experience, sadly, we all know where that leads) :explode:

However Friend, Thanks Again:chaplin:

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This is the most recent link as to what Bernard Ponsoby has to say about the character of Richard Leonard...CurrentLeader of the Scottish Labour Party. It is a current topic in political terms, as the "vultures" are coming out in force ... or maybe "leaving" as opposed to coming.

Richard Leonard is not for me. And although I do not want to make this post  personal or political in anyway (imo) he appears to lack any obvious leadership qualities....But for me, to further comment on this, without personally attacking him & turning this thread into a controversial political topic (even accepting forum tries to steer clear of politics) I would find personally, near impossible.

The whole point of this topic is to focus on Bernard Ponsoby, who I have the greatest admiration for.

In his latest piece (imo) he again shows his many skills & qualities. And at the top of the list, I would put his fairness & informative style in his analysis of the man involved in this current situation.

https://news.stv.tv/opinion/as-labour-critics-circle-we-need-to-talk-about-richard?top

I accept others may agree or disagree. But if you decide to respond to this post, or any of the posts above, try to avoid being too political, bearing in mind the Forum Rules & Guidelines .... Thanks.

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Read the article Gedee. It seems strange to me that Leonard is regarded as being from the same mould as Corbyn. I thought that Scottish Labour supporters were genuinely more socialist than revolutionary and it looks to me as though they need to regain that ethos.

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58 minutes ago, BCram said:

Read the article Gedee. It seems strange to me that Leonard is regarded as being from the same mould as Corbyn. I thought that Scottish Labour supporters were genuinely more socialist than revolutionary and it looks to me as though they need to regain that ethos.

BC' ...  Thanks for taking the time to read the article & respond.

I know it's difficult (maybe even impossible) NOT to to respond on the political contents of the article and keep all the focus solely on Bernard Ponsoby ... But that's the challenge I given myself (& others) in introducing this topic.

However, without infringing too much on the Forums Policy of "No Politics on Forum" I think in broad terms, it''s probably safe & reasonable to add, that the Labour Party I knew, when I started as a young engineering apprentice, more than 60 yrs ago  ... When everyone was, if not a Party Member, was certainly expected to be a Member of the Union (& pay their "dues to the Labour Party) ...Has definitely changed drastically from those by-gone days.

Okay adding one wee personal point ... Although with the passing of times, I'd accept, a political change was needed, I also think their attempts at introducing "New" Labour (which didn't looked not much different from the Tory Party)...IMO...and probably a few others, confused & angered many die-hard members of their party, although they probably gathered more new followers/voters at the time, which seemed to me their ultimate aim...

Reading back on that unfinished last paragraph I see I am going off-topic ...(Maybe better to Close Topic?)

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Gedee,

It's the ideas and the impressions that you formed that are interesting.If we chat away as we are then I can't see that we are being political. It is almost as though nowadays saying something political means exaggerating or saying something when you know your words are going to provoke a hostile reaction from someone.

For example, I dont disagree with your view that New Labourwas a deliberate attempt to attract voters from both the Lib Dems and the Conservatives. remember it was supposed to be The Third Way?

 

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Aye, I can understand where you are coming from, but I'm still wary of threads/topics that turn into something too political.

One reason is simple: Political topics/discussions, are not allowed on the forum ... And I agree.

Even with the best intentions of some contributors, past experience has proven it doesn't work.

And secondly (and more to the point) this thread is meant to focus on Bernard Ponsoby.

Even on this thread, it just needs one poster (intentionally or otherwise) to close this topic.

 

 

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