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[Double Blue]

56 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

I have no idea who's in the right or in the wrong, but I don't think Nelms or indeed, Transport Scotland have came out well with today's statements. Both seem rather petty.

Both seemed very frustrated. The info request from TS does seem to have been going on for a long time - no idea why FPS haven’t delivered what has been requested, and unsure what TS are unhappy about re the original suggestions. 

[Ludo*1]

 

 

[QuesoGrande]

What a shambles. Finger pointing from both sides. Unless they can get their heads together this sounds like it may be fckd. Very disappointing. 

[darkbluecheshire]

Stadia, pitch, managers, players transfers, facilities, player contracts, email-gate, campy project - the gift that keeps on giving........

 

 

[Mr Gandosaur]

4 hours ago, darkbluecheshire said:

Stadia, pitch, managers, players transfers, facilities, player contracts, email-gate, campy project - the gift that keeps on giving........

 

 

My feelings also.

People having a go at the authorities and council when in reality the whole project is being led by a man who has time and time again shown an inability to negotiate or liase with people who even slightly challenge him. 

Now this has descended into a public spat and any goodwill or favorable treatment from authorities is completely out the window.

He just can't help himself.

[jojo gunn]

2 hours ago, Mr Gandosaur said:

My feelings also.

People having a go at the authorities and council when in reality the whole project is being led by a man who has time and time again shown an inability to negotiate or liase with people who even slightly challenge him. 

Now this has descended into a public spat and any goodwill or favorable treatment from authorities is completely out the window.

He just can't help himself.

Agreed there will only be one winner and that's Transport Scotland, our JN has got same Billy Big Baws mentality like Trump 

[Kerso]

1 hour ago, jojo gunn said:

Agreed there will only be one winner and that's Transport Scotland, our JN has got same Billy Big Baws mentality like Trump 

This dosent look good 

 

[Deeboy08]

Think nows the time for both to meet asap and get this sorted out

[Reverend Lovejoy]

Do people realistically think we can overcome these issues or is the stadium development pretty much dead in the water?. With a minimum of 2 years expected still at Dens before anything can happen it seems a long time to be sitting here losing money. Nelms comments in regard to a lack of 'infinite' patience suggest that time is running out.

It seems to me that Nelms is being a bit pig-headed here, he wants a PPIP agreement without the finite details being agreed whereas TS won't accept the plans in principle without having an idea of the finite details. Surely as the developer we need to bow down to the demands of the relevant authorities or are we allowing ego's to get in the way?.

Seems to me like there's a fairly straightforward resolution here or am I missing something?.

[stu2910]

So basically we have submitted 2 suggestions and TS have said that neither is acceptable, but don't seem to want to tell us what would be acceptable as it's our job to put a proposal to them.  Nelms might have made plenty of mistakes over the years but I'm not sure how much blame he can take for this - he's not a traffic planning expert and clearly a firm has been appointed to be that voice on our side and either they're not doing a very good job or TS are just being stubborn.  IMO, TS should exist to tell us what the acceptable solutions would be, not the other way around. Nelms has openly said he wants to meet them to get this sorted so hopefully they agree.

Thinking about the site though, in terms of transport access how can we ever actually choose a site that's better?  There certainly won't be one within the city limits.  It's next door to the biggest road through the city that fans from basically everywhere except Kirkcaldy would approach the city on.  It has very little effect on existing houses and access, no matter how you look at it, will be by existing roads.  The only thing they could possibly want us to do differently would be to build a whole new slip road just before the existing one, that cuts into some of the "prime dog walking land" previously suggested for the training ground, which will never happen, or build a new roundabout or similar, which probably isn't possible due to space.  Maybe we will have to build into Perth & Kinross and St Johnstone will become a derby after all.

[stu2910]

10 minutes ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

Do people realistically think we can overcome these issues or is the stadium development pretty much dead in the water?. With a minimum of 2 years expected still at Dens before anything can happen it seems a long time to be sitting here losing money. Nelms comments in regard to a lack of 'infinite' patience suggest that time is running out.

It seems to me that Nelms is being a bit pig-headed here, he wants a PPIP agreement without the finite details being agreed whereas TS won't accept the plans in principle without having an idea of the finite details. Surely as the developer we need to bow down to the demands of the relevant authorities or are we allowing ego's to get in the way?.

Seems to me like there's a fairly straightforward resolution here or am I missing something?.

Surely the whole point of a PPIP is that it doesn't contain the finer details?  This is only supposed to be enough for the council to look at it and think "this seems reasonable enough to work with - crack on with the prep work and get us the final drawings".

[QuesoGrande]

14 minutes ago, stu2910 said:

Surely the whole point of a PPIP is that it doesn't contain the finer details?  This is only supposed to be enough for the council to look at it and think "this seems reasonable enough to work with - crack on with the prep work and get us the final drawings".

Agree with this and I think that’s Nelms stance. Meant to be a broad brush at this stage.