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[Big Fez]

Just now, Prince Buster said:

it's difficult to see where the landlord would try to hamstring the tenant on any likely future ownership scenario. 

I literally told you why mate

Because they always expect to make losses on the club but make a bigger profit on the property development

If the plan is for the development to subsidise the club then you set it up so the club owns the development. If you set them up as separate entities it's almost always because you want to easily be able to split them off in future

[Prince Buster]

1 minute ago, GSD said:

Of course it favours Landlords/investors they usually do the heavy lifting to get the project up and running,then lease it out to pay mortgages borrowed on completion. The Club will probably get a 100 year lease deal to pay the Stadium part,and others will negotiate own terms.But in the end the investment must be profitable overall to recoup costs,and make it a viable sell on in future.

I think Big Fez is just clutching at any negative point he can find to talk down the proposal. I'm personally still convinced it will never happen but until the plug's pulled formally I'll stay on the supportive side of getting it done, I'd expect all Dundee fans to do the same. Unfortunately some 'Dundee fans' on here just don't want it to happen.

[Prince Buster]

2 minutes ago, Big Fez said:

I literally told you why mate

Because they always expect to make losses on the club but make a bigger profit on the property development

If the plan is for the development to subsidise the club then you set it up so the club owns the development. If you set them up as separate entities it's almost always because you want to easily be able to split them off in future

You described a relationship between separate entities and not a symbiotic relationship.

[Big Fez]

Just now, Prince Buster said:

Who mentioned a regular service?

Plenty companies vary bus timetables and routes dependent on peak and off peak travel hours. It's called basic business sense - put the product or service where the demand is.

It's just not that easy to hire loads more drivers and vehicles to work half a shift every two weeks, often with short notice of rescheduling/postponement/changes of kick-off time

If this is really 'basic business sense' then why aren't there any other examples of this happening in scotland? (I am aware of a couple down south, it's not impossible, but lots more money in general round those parts of course).

[Big Fez]

Just now, Prince Buster said:

You described a relationship between separate entities and not a symbiotic relationship.

They have deliberately set them up as separate entities when it would have been easier not to. They are currently symbiotic to some extent, but if the plan was for that to continue there would be no reason to set them up the way they did.

[Big Fez]

2 minutes ago, Prince Buster said:

I think Big Fez is just clutching at any negative point he can find to talk down the proposal. I'm personally still convinced it will never happen but until the plug's pulled formally I'll stay on the supportive side of getting it done, I'd expect all Dundee fans to do the same. Unfortunately some 'Dundee fans' on here just don't want it to happen.

I don't want it to happen because i believe we'll get screwed over if it does.

You're welcome to disagree but there's no need to question my motivations.

[GSD]

I think it will happen,especially if Scot Gov get involved,who spends £3.5 mill and walks away,gotta get passed. I know it sweetie money for Keyes company but I think this will be boiling his pish and he will persevere through to completion just to give a giruy to the regulatory bodies involved.

[Big Fez]

15 minutes ago, GSD said:

I think it will happen,especially if Scot Gov get involved,who spends £3.5 mill and walks away,gotta get passed. I know it sweetie money for Keyes company but I think this will be boiling his pish and he will persevere through to completion just to give a giruy to the regulatory bodies involved.

I agree. No way they expected it to take this long. But again, does that 'campy or bust' look the behaviour of someone whose only motivation is what's best for the club, or want to stick it to the bodies? Or does that look the behaviour of an investor who is 'all in' because they know there's no other way to get their money back?

If they were willing to just lose 5 million growing the club they could just have totally rebuilt and modernised south enclosure, increased future revenue *for the club* that way. But the plan was to lose 5 million on the club to obtain 10m profit from retail park property *for the owners*. And now they're in 'lose 9m on club to obtain 10m retail park' territory.

[troodee1893]

With the parking solely for residents in the area of the two current grounds being extended the distances some will have to walk on matches after parking their cars will expand. On big games folk are parking from as far away as Stobswell/Swanney ponds to the East to Clepington road west, Strathmore avenue far it in the West and all the way down to the Kingsway in between these areas. Also anywhere North of Alexander street up to the areas at the top of Kinghorne road and Hill street. There is more than enough parking similar distances from the proposed new stadium to cover the same need.

[Prince Buster]

35 minutes ago, Big Fez said:

I don't want it to happen because i believe we'll get screwed over if it does.

You're welcome to disagree but there's no need to question my motivations.

I'm not questioning your motivation, I just think you're looking to talk the whole thing down. Couldn't care less what's motivating you to do that I only care that as Dundee fans we should all be behind the proposal whether we believe in it or not.

[Garageflower]

50 minutes ago, Big Fez said:

I don't want it to happen because i believe we'll get screwed over if it does.

You're welcome to disagree but there's no need to question my motivations.

What ways do you believe we will get screwed over and why do you think that?

[Big Fez]

6 minutes ago, Prince Buster said:

I'm not questioning your motivation, I just think you're looking to talk the whole thing down. Couldn't care less what's motivating you to do that I only care that as Dundee fans we should all be behind the proposal whether we believe in it or not.

I'm telling you that i believe this proposal is going to be harmful for the club's future and you are telling me that my duty as a supporter is to pretend i think the opposite? Or to just keep quiet?

We're not even talking about boycotts or anything. Just offering my opinion on a discussion forum. 

"as Dundee fans we should all be behind the proposal whether we believe in it or not." is a crazy thing to say. 

This isn't like 'don't boo a young player who's made a mistake'. You should support the guys on the pitch of course. But we're talking about owners pursuing a deliberate business policy over several years that has the potential to jeopardise the club's future. And we're not even supposed to discuss it? Nah man.