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[Garageflower]

2 minutes ago, Prince Buster said:

It's the slope up to assist with braking before turning and a slope down to assist vehicles to reach the same speed as traffic on the road before merging that TS are recommending I believe rather than a full flyover / underpass arrangement. Completely unnecessary to my thinking because it's only a 50mph road and there are no gradients onto or off of the roundabouts and traffic lights that currently exist on the road and which traffic seems to have no trouble negotiating.

it's certainly a strange one. So if its just a slope, it shouldn't cost that much more? I'm no expert.

[Prince Buster]

13 minutes ago, Garageflower said:

it's certainly a strange one. So if its just a slope, it shouldn't cost that much more? I'm no expert.

Neither am I - but my thoughts are that if the current design is for a level slip on and off then a hill would need to be created to accommodate the gradient that's being recommended. If that's done of course it has to have a down and up on the car park side which immediately takes space from the site as it would need run off / on distance within the property which would be road and not car park or otherwise utilised space.

Any build up of land to create a hill of this type would be expensive as it would need a huge amount of rock, earth and no doubt other materials, that's before considering additional design, calculations, social amenity etc. For me it actually sounds like a bells and whistles addition - nice to have but completely unnecessary. However as I say, I'm just a guy with a bit of common sense and am no expert.

[an-dee]

2 hours ago, Prince Buster said:

Neither am I - but my thoughts are that if the current design is for a level slip on and off then a hill would need to be created to accommodate the gradient that's being recommended. If that's done of course it has to have a down and up on the car park side which immediately takes space from the site as it would need run off / on distance within the property which would be road and not car park or otherwise utilised space.

Any build up of land to create a hill of this type would be expensive as it would need a huge amount of rock, earth and no doubt other materials, that's before considering additional design, calculations, social amenity etc. For me it actually sounds like a bells and whistles addition - nice to have but completely unnecessary. However as I say, I'm just a guy with a bit of common sense and am no expert.

Earthworks are pretty expensive so a slope would cost a fair amount but I’d be surprised if they were looking for that type of junction (up and down into the car park) given the gradient required to get up and down that quickly is also against standards. The level junction would be much safer. 

[Billy Campbell's Ghost]

3 hours ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

I suppose it very much depends on the individual and in how they approach and interpret safety. My teenage daughter was at a gig on Friday night at Ingliston and didn't see, or have, any issues. There were 30, 000 there.

How did she get there and back?  I dropped my daughter off and her brother drove her back. She witnessed plenty drunk people crossing busy roads with no zebras or marked crossings. 

[Indeed]

4 hours ago, Prince Buster said:

But it isn't beyond the skillset of all parties is it? TS are the authority and their skillset says a graded junction is recommended. The obstacle seems to be that another set of experts with the appropriate skillset disagrees on that point. No doubt DCC will go with the authority's opinion and will ask for the graded junction to be included.

What seems lacking is that the club's representatives seem unable, or unwilling, to justify their preferred option to the satisfaction of the authority. I don't see what can be so difficult about that given that, as you say, it's only for access of 120 or so vehicles tops and even then it's generally running at that level at quieter traffic times.

Swallow Roundabout. I wonder where the skillset was then?

[Reverend Lovejoy]

49 minutes ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said:

How did she get there and back?  I dropped my daughter off and her brother drove her back. She witnessed plenty drunk people crossing busy roads with no zebras or marked crossings. 

Her and her boyfriend went by bus. Not trying to downplay people's concerns but is it any different from weekend's up and down the land?. I can only shake my head when I think back to a Saturday night out when I was a youngster.

[Garageflower]

17 hours ago, Indeed said:

Swallow Roundabout. I wonder where the skillset was then?

I use this junction nearly everyday at peak times and find it much better than before. 90% of the time I approach from Riverside Drive then left to Perth and it is night and day compared to before. I never feel the need to cut through Invergowrie anymore. I sometimes approach from the Kingsway and have also faced no issues. It's just better in my experience.

[FanDee]

1 hour ago, Garageflower said:

I use this junction nearly everyday at peak times and find it much better than before. 90% of the time I approach from Riverside Drive then left to Perth and it is night and day compared to before. I never feel the need to cut through Invergowrie anymore. I sometimes approach from the Kingsway and have also faced no issues. It's just better in my experience.

Where as i was delayed 15 minutes coming from the Kingsway towards Perth yesterday around 1pm.

[Prince Buster]

14 minutes ago, FanDee said:

Where as i was delayed 15 minutes coming from the Kingsway towards Perth yesterday around 1pm.

But that sometimes happened before the restructure as well didn't it? I've seen it queued and slow back all the way to the Camperdown junction more than once before the change.

I've never had an issue negotiating the new junction although can see why there was confusion caused by poor signposting and road marking coming into Dundee from the Perth direction

[Gull83]

Living in Inchture I use this roundabout on a daily basis and have noticed that the delays have significantly improved over the months since the lights were first installed. I think they have improved the sequence of the lights which have helped greatly.

Still delays at times but I guess that can only be expected at a busy junction unless they were to add more lanes etc.

Problem though is the lanes/signage coming into Dundee from Perth, these need sorted. I believe this has been agreed but not done yet.

[GSD]

The right hand lane should have been dual use for turning right and going straight on, coming into Dundee, it's completely stupidly designed as both lanes are used then suddenly you're forced to get over left to another lane.

Also about slip lanes off/ onto Kingsway,the junction almost directly opposite at buttars loan has no built up ramps but there are no problems with traffic exiting/ entering there. They are just making sh*t up as they go along,get it rattified ASAP!!

[jojo gunn]

16 hours ago, GSD said:

The right hand lane should have been dual use for turning right and going straight on, coming into Dundee, it's completely stupidly designed as both lanes are used then suddenly you're forced to get over left to another lane.

Also about slip lanes off/ onto Kingsway,the junction almost directly opposite at buttars loan has no built up ramps but there are no problems with traffic exiting/ entering there. They are just making sh*t up as they go along,get it rattified ASAP!!

Good Point re both exits at Buttars Loan