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Can the leaders of both groups explain why NOTHING is done when large groups of away fans start lighting flares and pyro-technics. The cowards would probably lift a single guy doing it when a small club visits, but they stand back and watch as large numbers of fans from the bigger clubs blatantly cause mayhem with these dangerous fireworks. Bring on the top men of both groups to explain this one away. I won't hold my breath. 

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Just now, TAYZURRI said:

The Aberdeen fan with the flare was removed from the ground quickly.

"Fan". What about when dozens if not more are doing it, what's the polis and stewards excuses for standing by twiddling their thumbs.

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3 minutes ago, PolarBear said:

"Fan". What about when dozens if not more are doing it, what's the polis and stewards excuses for standing by twiddling their thumbs.

I don't know but doubt there twiddling their thumbs.

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2 hours ago, PolarBear said:

Can the leaders of both groups explain why NOTHING is done when large groups of away fans start lighting flares and pyro-technics. The cowards would probably lift a single guy doing it when a small club visits, but they stand back and watch as large numbers of fans from the bigger clubs blatantly cause mayhem with these dangerous fireworks. Bring on the top men of both groups to explain this one away. I won't hold my breath. 

I think the issue is that if they go wading in there to approach large groups of people the risk is it could potentially cause large scale mayhem/violence that could potentially cause injury to a number of people including genuine fans just there to watch the game. There is only a limited number of polis/stewards at a game and if they go wading in to pull it dozens of fans I imagine there is a serious risk of a potential full scale riot in the stand that they simply don't have the numbers/training to control.

I don't know what they do in terms of retrospective identification of these people via CCTV etc but there probably needs to be more thorough searches of people going into the ground to prevent the pyrotechnics issues. 

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I'm with @PolarBear to an extent but this isn't as simple as it may seem. I'm annoyed that our fans are singled out and routinely searched and on occasion treated with less than respect, I've seen that with my own eyes and challenged stewards on it. I probably think I'm in a small percentage of people (home fans) who speak out on things that they don't see as being acceptable. When the bigger clubs come to town though that percentage is increased, maybe fuelled by alcohol, and those employed or hired by the club to police the away support are trying to manage things rather than wading in and attempting to remove any offending individuals. It's a balancing act that's more to prevent an escalation of offence taking place and that balancing act favours those intent on carrying banned items and hence why offenders tend to continue with their actions and get away with it.

It's not right but probably seen as the lesser of two potential evils.

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9 minutes ago, Reverend Lovejoy said:

I'm with @PolarBear to an extent but this isn't as simple as it may seem. I'm annoyed that our fans are singled out and routinely searched and on occasion treated with less than respect, I've seen that with my own eyes and challenged stewards on it. I probably think I'm in a small percentage of people (home fans) who speak out on things that they don't see as being acceptable. When the bigger clubs come to town though that percentage is increased, maybe fuelled by alcohol, and those employed or hired by the club to police the away support are trying to manage things rather than wading in and attempting to remove any offending individuals. It's a balancing act that's more to prevent an escalation of offence taking place and that balancing act favours those intent on carrying banned items and hence why offenders tend to continue with their actions and get away with it.

It's not right but probably seen as the lesser of two potential evils.

I think the big issue is that is that if they were to start wading into the stands to drag dozens of folk out there would need to be a significantly higher number of police/stewards at the game to do this. The risks for these people to start going into stands containing thousands of people is massive and would be an absolute last resort in most cases. 

Personally think more needs be done proactively and retrospectively to prevent these people getting into the game in the first place.

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On 23/03/2024 at 08:53, Dundeefc1783 said:

I think the big issue is that is that if they were to start wading into the stands to drag dozens of folk out there would need to be a significantly higher number of police/stewards at the game to do this. The risks for these people to start going into stands containing thousands of people is massive and would be an absolute last resort in most cases. 

Personally think more needs be done proactively and retrospectively to prevent these people getting into the game in the first place.

I don't think anyone expects the police to go wading in to the away ends during matches against the ugly sisters but at the same time i find it quite infuriating sat watching their fans pretty much do as they please directly in front of the watching police who seem very happy to do nothing .

 

At one stage during the Sevco match i was watching a young Sevconian literally half a meter away from a policeman waving a flare in his face . Surely even removing 1 or 2 of them when they are playing up to at least pretend to be making some sort of an effort shouldn't be too much to ask of our police force /

 

As for the stewards that is an absolute joke of a set up both in and around the ground on match days and not just  at Dens  .

You have young kids with a hi-viz jacket put in front of sometimes thousands of volatile adult men , a lot of time under the influence of drink or even  drugs , and expect them to be able to excerpt some kind of control . 

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On 23/03/2024 at 06:06, PolarBear said:

Can the leaders of both groups explain why NOTHING is done when large groups of away fans start lighting flares and pyro-technics. The cowards would probably lift a single guy doing it when a small club visits, but they stand back and watch as large numbers of fans from the bigger clubs blatantly cause mayhem with these dangerous fireworks. Bring on the top men of both groups to explain this one away. I won't hold my breath. 

My mate was a Police safety officer, he would do this For Dundee, United and St Johnstone. I once asked him why they never did anything against Celtic or Rangers, and his response was that they didn't want a riot/trouble in/outside the ground. Remember the 70s and 80s?

Instead, the polis use cameras in and around the stadium and troublemakers will be arrested later. Normally at their home.

Don't shoot the messenger as I know I will get a few people on here having a wee go, but that was the info I was given.

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12 hours ago, TheDarkBlues said:

My mate was a Police safety officer, he would do this For Dundee, United and St Johnstone. I once asked him why they never did anything against Celtic or Rangers, and his response was that they didn't want a riot/trouble in/outside the ground. Remember the 70s and 80s?

Instead, the polis use cameras in and around the stadium and troublemakers will be arrested later. Normally at their home.

Don't shoot the messenger as I know I will get a few people on here having a wee go, but that was the info I was given.

Whilst i'm not shooting the messenger  I find this very hard to believe .

If any arrests were made retrospectively I'm pretty sure  they would be given airtime in the media as was the case with the incident during the Dundee v Saints game .

 

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