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1 hour ago, Billy Campbell's Ghost said:

Whilst it appears not to impact you, Dee4Life do have a responsibility to their members. They did ask questions that the DSA didn’t. 

Exactly. I wondered if the email might appear in full on this forum. I think they need to build their membership but there are others who think that they are a divisive organisation that brings little to the benefit of DFC.

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See below - particularly disappointed by two responses that say 'This is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life'.

Dee4Life are asking those questions because its members - Dundee fans - are asking them. Very dismissive of the board to react this way to Dundee fans' questions in my opinion.

RESPONSES TO OUR CAMPERDOWN DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS

Uncategorized / Monday 25 March 2024 / By Dee4life

In February, Dee4Life submitted a list of questions to the owners of Dundee FC relating to the new Camperdown stadium development.

Trust directors received a response to the questions just hours before a members’ meeting on March 18. We felt the directors needed to consider these responses before sharing the answers provided but can now do so.

The full list of questions and answers have been set out below. The questions we asked are in bold and the answers are beneath.

If you have any feedback to the answers given, we would happy to hear your opinion. Share your thoughts by emailing [email protected].

When is the full planning application likely to be submitted? Or any submissions required by the grant of the current PPIP under any attached conditions, notably suspensive conditions?

Full planning permission will be pending Dundee City Council’s response and feedback to PPiP. We anticipate a decision by August at the latest. We have submitted the most comprehensive PPiP documentation imaginable for two reasons. First, we wanted to make sure that such an historic proposal was given full consideration. To that end we have spent significant sums on more than 20 consultants in key areas of the planning submission.

We also wanted to make sure that after years of discussion, which have been interrupted by a pandemic and impacted by a recession, we would be ‘ahead of the game’ when it came to seeking full permission. For the avoidance of doubt each aspect of the PPiP will be broken up into multiple full planning applications as each element of the plan has its own individual issues to be answered.

Is the target of football being played in the new stadium by summer 2025 still valid given the fact that planning permission in principle has still to be determined?

The owners of DBPH holdings are optimist but also impatient. We as a project team want to make sure we are ready to go if and when permission is granted. We have waited this long but the priority is that we are ready to bring the vision to life when we get the green light from the council.

What are the phasing arrangements for the delivery of the elements contained in the development mix? Will the football facilities be included in the first phase or is the stadium contingent on the successful delivery of the other, revenue-generating elements?

The stadium is the centrepiece and as you have seen from recent postponements the priority. But as we’ve said consistently, any new sports stadium development in any country in the world is only economically viable with the ancillary revenue generated around it. We aim to create a 365-days-a-year sport and entertainment campus, with Dundee Football Club as the core offering. Even the largest European stadiums have multiple streams of revenue.

Will Dundee FC own the stadium? If not, will the rental terms be set at a commercial rate or on other terms, such as a set percentage of the club’s turnover?

Bearing in mind DBPH recently purchased the stadium back from private ownership, we envisage a similar operating model that will again ensure preferential rental rates for the Club. Again, this is common practice across the world and reduces the onus on the Club. This question has been answered multiple times and if the answer were ever to change we would let your group and all Dundee supporters know of the change.

If the club is not to own the stadium, will the club pay more in rent than the current arrangements at Dens Park?

Firstly, the escalating costs of simply keeping the lights on at Dens, along with the maintenance and dilapidation costs, are now approaching £1m per year. This is pure cost and money that is better reinvested in the team. The new model will ensure a preferential rental agreement that will absolutely be better value-for-money and be offset by the residual income, which in turn can be reinvested in the team.

The ONS notes that private commercial construction costs have risen by around 30% in the past seven years, including approximately 14% since December 2021. Interest rates have risen significantly in this time too. How has all this impacted on the affordability of the project?

That’s for DBPH to work through and we have a robust business plan in place. We have been struck by how proactive global brands have been to express keen interest in the wider development. We are also seeing the financial headwinds following the pandemic easing sufficiently to give us confidence in the model.

What protections are in place for the club should DBPH experience financial difficulties that prevent the project from being delivered, or the company to cease trading?

This is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life. We have shown our commitment to the Club throughout the 10 years since our arrival and while form has fluctuated on the field, we have remained steadfast in our long-term ambitions for the Club. Staying at Dens Park is, sadly, simply not a viable long-term option.

Records from the Land Registry suggest that both the Camperdown site and Dens Park have been used as security against loans obtained from the Soho Green finance company. Is this correct, what has this finance been used for and have the loans been repaid? What guarantees can be given that Dens Park will not be lost if repayments are not made?

Just like the question above this is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life. We have shown our commitment to the Club throughout the 10 years since our arrival and while form has fluctuated on the field, we have remained steadfast in our long-term ambitions for the Club. Staying at Dens Park is, sadly, simply not a viable long-term option.

Is finance in place for the new stadium development and is this in the form of investment or lending? If it is the latter, are the club liable for repayments of this?

Again, as above.

Whilst the planning application process and subsequent development takes place what are the arrangements and investments planned for Dens Park?

We are spending just over £700,000 on Dens Park and counting, in which a significant amount goes towards the pitch. In addition, we have put in place consultants at an increased cost over the winter, due to the unprecedented storms and heavy rainfall that has hit the Dundee area in recent months. Improvements have been made and will continue to be made to the pitch whilst we remain at Dens Park. We will continue to evaluate and invest as we have done so for the duration of our time at Dens Park.

In any delay on delivery of the Camperdown proposal what is the strategy and practical arrangement for the continuing use and operation of Dens Park over each of say 3, 5, 7-year periods or indeed indefinitely?

Please see the above answer. Our main focus now is being able to begin the phase of putting a spade in the ground and making the vision a reality.

Should planning permission be refused or should the development fail to materialise for any other reason, what is the club’s Plan B position?

Based on the PPiP submitted, the input from key stakeholders and consultants at all levels, and the reassuring public comments from DCC that they seek “to work with developers and remove obstacles”, we look forward with confidence that Camperdown Stadium Development can be a crown jewel in the city’s regeneration. A home we can be proud of and a beacon for our city as a whole.  

 

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6 minutes ago, BCram said:

Exactly. I wondered if the email might appear in full on this forum. I think they need to build their membership but there are others who think that they are a divisive organisation that brings little to the benefit of DFC.

Dundee and nelms have done a lot of puss shutting this season in regards to dee4life and there agendas  and long  may it continue 😎

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Just now, tommy the tap in king said:

Dundee and nelms have done a lot of puss shutting this season in regards to dee4life and there agendas  and long  may it continue 😎

Puss shutting? Pitch / stadium neglect has caught up with them and planning application still isn't in.

Not puss shutters IMO.

Decent team on that shiite pitch mind, have to give them that.

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1 hour ago, Prince Buster said:

See below - particularly disappointed by two responses that say 'This is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life'.

Dee4Life are asking those questions because its members - Dundee fans - are asking them. Very dismissive of the board to react this way to Dundee fans' questions in my opinion.

RESPONSES TO OUR CAMPERDOWN DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS

Uncategorized / Monday 25 March 2024 / By Dee4life

In February, Dee4Life submitted a list of questions to the owners of Dundee FC relating to the new Camperdown stadium development.

Trust directors received a response to the questions just hours before a members’ meeting on March 18. We felt the directors needed to consider these responses before sharing the answers provided but can now do so.

The full list of questions and answers have been set out below. The questions we asked are in bold and the answers are beneath.

If you have any feedback to the answers given, we would happy to hear your opinion. Share your thoughts by emailing [email protected].

When is the full planning application likely to be submitted? Or any submissions required by the grant of the current PPIP under any attached conditions, notably suspensive conditions?

Full planning permission will be pending Dundee City Council’s response and feedback to PPiP. We anticipate a decision by August at the latest. We have submitted the most comprehensive PPiP documentation imaginable for two reasons. First, we wanted to make sure that such an historic proposal was given full consideration. To that end we have spent significant sums on more than 20 consultants in key areas of the planning submission.

We also wanted to make sure that after years of discussion, which have been interrupted by a pandemic and impacted by a recession, we would be ‘ahead of the game’ when it came to seeking full permission. For the avoidance of doubt each aspect of the PPiP will be broken up into multiple full planning applications as each element of the plan has its own individual issues to be answered.

Is the target of football being played in the new stadium by summer 2025 still valid given the fact that planning permission in principle has still to be determined?

The owners of DBPH holdings are optimist but also impatient. We as a project team want to make sure we are ready to go if and when permission is granted. We have waited this long but the priority is that we are ready to bring the vision to life when we get the green light from the council.

What are the phasing arrangements for the delivery of the elements contained in the development mix? Will the football facilities be included in the first phase or is the stadium contingent on the successful delivery of the other, revenue-generating elements?

The stadium is the centrepiece and as you have seen from recent postponements the priority. But as we’ve said consistently, any new sports stadium development in any country in the world is only economically viable with the ancillary revenue generated around it. We aim to create a 365-days-a-year sport and entertainment campus, with Dundee Football Club as the core offering. Even the largest European stadiums have multiple streams of revenue.

Will Dundee FC own the stadium? If not, will the rental terms be set at a commercial rate or on other terms, such as a set percentage of the club’s turnover?

Bearing in mind DBPH recently purchased the stadium back from private ownership, we envisage a similar operating model that will again ensure preferential rental rates for the Club. Again, this is common practice across the world and reduces the onus on the Club. This question has been answered multiple times and if the answer were ever to change we would let your group and all Dundee supporters know of the change.

If the club is not to own the stadium, will the club pay more in rent than the current arrangements at Dens Park?

Firstly, the escalating costs of simply keeping the lights on at Dens, along with the maintenance and dilapidation costs, are now approaching £1m per year. This is pure cost and money that is better reinvested in the team. The new model will ensure a preferential rental agreement that will absolutely be better value-for-money and be offset by the residual income, which in turn can be reinvested in the team.

The ONS notes that private commercial construction costs have risen by around 30% in the past seven years, including approximately 14% since December 2021. Interest rates have risen significantly in this time too. How has all this impacted on the affordability of the project?

That’s for DBPH to work through and we have a robust business plan in place. We have been struck by how proactive global brands have been to express keen interest in the wider development. We are also seeing the financial headwinds following the pandemic easing sufficiently to give us confidence in the model.

What protections are in place for the club should DBPH experience financial difficulties that prevent the project from being delivered, or the company to cease trading?

This is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life. We have shown our commitment to the Club throughout the 10 years since our arrival and while form has fluctuated on the field, we have remained steadfast in our long-term ambitions for the Club. Staying at Dens Park is, sadly, simply not a viable long-term option.

Records from the Land Registry suggest that both the Camperdown site and Dens Park have been used as security against loans obtained from the Soho Green finance company. Is this correct, what has this finance been used for and have the loans been repaid? What guarantees can be given that Dens Park will not be lost if repayments are not made?

Just like the question above this is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life. We have shown our commitment to the Club throughout the 10 years since our arrival and while form has fluctuated on the field, we have remained steadfast in our long-term ambitions for the Club. Staying at Dens Park is, sadly, simply not a viable long-term option.

Is finance in place for the new stadium development and is this in the form of investment or lending? If it is the latter, are the club liable for repayments of this?

Again, as above.

Whilst the planning application process and subsequent development takes place what are the arrangements and investments planned for Dens Park?

We are spending just over £700,000 on Dens Park and counting, in which a significant amount goes towards the pitch. In addition, we have put in place consultants at an increased cost over the winter, due to the unprecedented storms and heavy rainfall that has hit the Dundee area in recent months. Improvements have been made and will continue to be made to the pitch whilst we remain at Dens Park. We will continue to evaluate and invest as we have done so for the duration of our time at Dens Park.

In any delay on delivery of the Camperdown proposal what is the strategy and practical arrangement for the continuing use and operation of Dens Park over each of say 3, 5, 7-year periods or indeed indefinitely?

Please see the above answer. Our main focus now is being able to begin the phase of putting a spade in the ground and making the vision a reality.

Should planning permission be refused or should the development fail to materialise for any other reason, what is the club’s Plan B position?

Based on the PPiP submitted, the input from key stakeholders and consultants at all levels, and the reassuring public comments from DCC that they seek “to work with developers and remove obstacles”, we look forward with confidence that Camperdown Stadium Development can be a crown jewel in the city’s regeneration. A home we can be proud of and a beacon for our city as a whole.  

 

Yeah the "hypothetical" and "only asked by Dee4Life" responses kinda rankled with me. Dee4Life only asked the questions put forward by the fans, their members. The BOD are almost isolating Dee4Life and labelling them as trouble makers in order to swerve the question. The stadium development is still at a sensitive stage I guess but the responses leave a lot of questions and not too many answers which is something we've quite often seen under this ownership.

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The email reads like a politician answering questions from a first year student.

For a man that many paint as an introvert, Nelms wasn't shy on giving his opinioin on the postponed Rangers game live on Sky, let's get him answering questions through a streaming session with the fans groups, even if the questions have to be pre-approved by Nelms himself.

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4 hours ago, Prince Buster said:

See below - particularly disappointed by two responses that say 'This is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life'.

Dee4Life are asking those questions because its members - Dundee fans - are asking them. Very dismissive of the board to react this way to Dundee fans' questions in my opinion.

RESPONSES TO OUR CAMPERDOWN DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS

Uncategorized / Monday 25 March 2024 / By Dee4life

In February, Dee4Life submitted a list of questions to the owners of Dundee FC relating to the new Camperdown stadium development.

Trust directors received a response to the questions just hours before a members’ meeting on March 18. We felt the directors needed to consider these responses before sharing the answers provided but can now do so.

The full list of questions and answers have been set out below. The questions we asked are in bold and the answers are beneath.

If you have any feedback to the answers given, we would happy to hear your opinion. Share your thoughts by emailing [email protected].

When is the full planning application likely to be submitted? Or any submissions required by the grant of the current PPIP under any attached conditions, notably suspensive conditions?

Full planning permission will be pending Dundee City Council’s response and feedback to PPiP. We anticipate a decision by August at the latest. We have submitted the most comprehensive PPiP documentation imaginable for two reasons. First, we wanted to make sure that such an historic proposal was given full consideration. To that end we have spent significant sums on more than 20 consultants in key areas of the planning submission.

We also wanted to make sure that after years of discussion, which have been interrupted by a pandemic and impacted by a recession, we would be ‘ahead of the game’ when it came to seeking full permission. For the avoidance of doubt each aspect of the PPiP will be broken up into multiple full planning applications as each element of the plan has its own individual issues to be answered.

Is the target of football being played in the new stadium by summer 2025 still valid given the fact that planning permission in principle has still to be determined?

The owners of DBPH holdings are optimist but also impatient. We as a project team want to make sure we are ready to go if and when permission is granted. We have waited this long but the priority is that we are ready to bring the vision to life when we get the green light from the council.

What are the phasing arrangements for the delivery of the elements contained in the development mix? Will the football facilities be included in the first phase or is the stadium contingent on the successful delivery of the other, revenue-generating elements?

The stadium is the centrepiece and as you have seen from recent postponements the priority. But as we’ve said consistently, any new sports stadium development in any country in the world is only economically viable with the ancillary revenue generated around it. We aim to create a 365-days-a-year sport and entertainment campus, with Dundee Football Club as the core offering. Even the largest European stadiums have multiple streams of revenue.

Will Dundee FC own the stadium? If not, will the rental terms be set at a commercial rate or on other terms, such as a set percentage of the club’s turnover?

Bearing in mind DBPH recently purchased the stadium back from private ownership, we envisage a similar operating model that will again ensure preferential rental rates for the Club. Again, this is common practice across the world and reduces the onus on the Club. This question has been answered multiple times and if the answer were ever to change we would let your group and all Dundee supporters know of the change.

If the club is not to own the stadium, will the club pay more in rent than the current arrangements at Dens Park?

Firstly, the escalating costs of simply keeping the lights on at Dens, along with the maintenance and dilapidation costs, are now approaching £1m per year. This is pure cost and money that is better reinvested in the team. The new model will ensure a preferential rental agreement that will absolutely be better value-for-money and be offset by the residual income, which in turn can be reinvested in the team.

The ONS notes that private commercial construction costs have risen by around 30% in the past seven years, including approximately 14% since December 2021. Interest rates have risen significantly in this time too. How has all this impacted on the affordability of the project?

That’s for DBPH to work through and we have a robust business plan in place. We have been struck by how proactive global brands have been to express keen interest in the wider development. We are also seeing the financial headwinds following the pandemic easing sufficiently to give us confidence in the model.

What protections are in place for the club should DBPH experience financial difficulties that prevent the project from being delivered, or the company to cease trading?

This is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life. We have shown our commitment to the Club throughout the 10 years since our arrival and while form has fluctuated on the field, we have remained steadfast in our long-term ambitions for the Club. Staying at Dens Park is, sadly, simply not a viable long-term option.

Records from the Land Registry suggest that both the Camperdown site and Dens Park have been used as security against loans obtained from the Soho Green finance company. Is this correct, what has this finance been used for and have the loans been repaid? What guarantees can be given that Dens Park will not be lost if repayments are not made?

Just like the question above this is a very hypothetical question, only asked by Dee4Life. We have shown our commitment to the Club throughout the 10 years since our arrival and while form has fluctuated on the field, we have remained steadfast in our long-term ambitions for the Club. Staying at Dens Park is, sadly, simply not a viable long-term option.

Is finance in place for the new stadium development and is this in the form of investment or lending? If it is the latter, are the club liable for repayments of this?

Again, as above.

Whilst the planning application process and subsequent development takes place what are the arrangements and investments planned for Dens Park?

We are spending just over £700,000 on Dens Park and counting, in which a significant amount goes towards the pitch. In addition, we have put in place consultants at an increased cost over the winter, due to the unprecedented storms and heavy rainfall that has hit the Dundee area in recent months. Improvements have been made and will continue to be made to the pitch whilst we remain at Dens Park. We will continue to evaluate and invest as we have done so for the duration of our time at Dens Park.

In any delay on delivery of the Camperdown proposal what is the strategy and practical arrangement for the continuing use and operation of Dens Park over each of say 3, 5, 7-year periods or indeed indefinitely?

Please see the above answer. Our main focus now is being able to begin the phase of putting a spade in the ground and making the vision a reality.

Should planning permission be refused or should the development fail to materialise for any other reason, what is the club’s Plan B position?

Based on the PPiP submitted, the input from key stakeholders and consultants at all levels, and the reassuring public comments from DCC that they seek “to work with developers and remove obstacles”, we look forward with confidence that Camperdown Stadium Development can be a crown jewel in the city’s regeneration. A home we can be proud of and a beacon for our city as a whole.  

 

There was nothing about the Ferries or the ring road....

Booo Dee4life!!!

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8 hours ago, TheDarkBlues said:

There was nothing about the Ferries or the ring road....

Booo Dee4life!!!

Think it's this kind of obvious favouritism John, that gets you, into lot of trouble:chaplin:

Stop lookin after yir Freends ;)  See noo, why Scott telt me, to keep an Eye on you :ph34r:

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