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Spl Without The Old Firm


Attilio

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Two questions:

Do you think that the Scottish football leagues could be 'successful' if the Old Firm did one and left for another league somewhere and is it something you would like to see?

Personally, on both questions my answer is a resounding yes.

In terms of being a competitive, successful league, it would be something like we have never seen before.  A chance for success in both league and cups for loads of teams.  This imo is one of the reasons people don't want to come and watch live games these days and our general attendances are pegged where they are.  Before the season has started it's a foregone conclusion who is going to win the league.  Next season it will no doubt be between Celtic and Rangers.

If this was to happen, we would need the proper people and proper organisations in place to sell our game properly.  Proper businessmen and not the blazers and jobsworths we have now.

Is it something I want?  Definitely yes.  Football and football support is becoming more polarized as the years go on.  A lot of kids are growing up wanting to support the best teams regardless and they want glory, glory.  Money controls who is 'successful' in football more and more.  These trends are only heading one way.

I think a Scottish top league could be a real success without the ugly sisters and finally, no Celtic and Rangers 'reserve teams' in my leagues either!

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Its a yes/yes vote for me too. If we could somehow remove the toxicity of the 2 Glasgow giants I wouldn't have a problem with them, I'm sure they would still be the biggest clubs in the country, what with Glasgow being the largest city and would still win most of the silverware. Its the baggage that does it for me, there's also that they've both made it quite clear in the past that if they got a 'better offer' they'd be off and sod the rest of us. While I'm not bitter about this approach and looking for a tit for tat, the rest of the clubs need to be aware of this attitude and while its unlikely that anyone else would have them, having a plan B might not be a bad thing, it could even be used as a bargaining chip against the gruesome twosome, I believe the 11 - 1 voting in the SPL hasn't been changed yet, absolute folly in my eyes.

Scottish football would be 'smaller' without its two biggest teams but it would continue, as I've posted elsewhere, I can't see a worse TV deal being in place, what's on the table is very poor, there are Scots all over the world never mind here in the UK (lets not forget there are plenty in England too). 

Pie in the sky stuff though, I can't see either club joining the Isthmian league, they'll want to go in at a higher level and while the thought of 2 well established teams with 50K supporters might have the English suits rubbing their hands, the reputation of these fans will put many off. Aspiring English clubs won't be keen on the competition either.

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One genuine concern IMO that we would have to deal with if Rangers and Celtic joined some kind of super league is that a hell of a lot of people will have a first and second team.

Eg; support the ugly sisters or Man U, Arsenal etc first in the Super league then a SPFL team second...

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I think that Scottish Football could easily survive without the Old Firm. At least every Premier League team would think at the start of each season that they had a reasonable chance of being champions which is something that does not happen at present.

Regarding the falling attendances. There is an easy way to stop this.

I would revert to the old way where the results of the matches were only announced at the end of the games on football results shows. No wonder people do not bother going to football matches when they can get "up-to-the-minute" scores on their phones, laptops, ipads and on television.

This is killing the game outwith the Premier League in England.

Finally, if the Old Firm joined an English League and they started to get beaten every week then you can be sure that their supporters would stop attending their home games as to date they have been brought up to expect to win at home every time.

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Do you seriously believe fans not having the other scores announced at the game would drive up attendances?! In the days of mobile phones being able to connect to the internet - you've defeated your own point! Unless you want to ban fans from looking at their mobiles? Otherwise there'd be zero difference in what happens now. Imagine the feedback on here if the stewards starting telling fans to put their phones away? Oft. :lol:

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Yes, yes!!!!!  We can but dream of a league where any one of ten teams could win and there is no bile, bigotry or bias!  Septic/Sevco would probably attract big TV audiences in a Super Atlantic League but it would cost their 'fans' a fortune to follow their team home and away every week so there would still be plenty folk who would want to watch live football in their home town.  Make games 3pm on a Saturday and don't charge too much to get bums on seats.  Dundee fans follow the team their father/grandfather supported and that wouldn't change.  Forget trips to Azerbaijan in the fifth pre-qualifying round for the Europa League, I'd rather see the Dee win a Tynecastle or Pittodrie in front of a full house.  If any team over spends that's their problem: 'teams can't use the SFL like a credit card!'     

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If there was good TV money on the table I'd be willing (maybe not happy exactly) to stagger games over the weekend, a bit crap for us regular fans but we already get mucked around, especially in the top league. If you knew that you were going to play either on a friday night, early saturday, 3 PM saturday, a game on sunday etc you could pencil it in. If we were going to get 50 Million instead of 15 Million from TV would it be worth it ?

I know it would p*ss a lot of people off, myself included but if the money was right it could provide a better product on the park. As it is, if you're dead set on watching football at 3 PM on a saturday, there are loads of games at that time, maybe not your first choice but an option. Because of the International, we didn't have a game this weekend, I did look for a local game but they were all away yesterday, my point is though that we already get dicked around for one thing or another, if it was more 'formal', not this week before the game gets changed cack but at the start of the season it was settled so you knew that you were playing (say) 8 games on a friday night, 10 on a sunday, 6 saturday games at 1230 etc would it be worth it if the clubs were making more money ?

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Do you seriously believe fans not having the other scores announced at the game would drive up attendances?! In the days of mobile phones being able to connect to the internet - you've defeated your own point! Unless you want to ban fans from looking at their mobiles? Otherwise there'd be zero difference in what happens now. Imagine the feedback on here if the stewards starting telling fans to put their phones away? Oft. :lol:

No need to ban mobile phones.

If the up to the minute football scores were not available on the internet or television until the game is finished then attendances might increase.

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No need to ban mobile phones.

If the up to the minute football scores were not available on the internet or television until the game is finished then attendances might increase.

How would you stop the scores getting 'out there' Islay ? Would it be a criminal conviction to phone or text the score to someone outside the ground ? TV companies will give updates anyway. Frankly I think its a daft notion and wouldn't make a jot of difference to attendances which was your original point. 

Not everything was better 'way back when'.

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